Joe Rogan interviews Navy pilot Cmdr. David Fravor about his 2004 encounter with the “Tic-Tac UFO”. They also discuss the “Go Fast UFO” and the “Gimble UFO”. This is a fascinating interview with the added bonus of Cmdr. Fravor just being a downright nice and cool guy. Jeremy Corbell rides shotgun to provide “big picture” UFO historic information to help illustrate how important these encounters are.
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and here we go
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first of all gentlemen thanks for being
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here Jeremy thanks for coming back again
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thanks Jeff and thanks to you sir it’s
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very excited to be here very exciting
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for me to be here to be able to talk to
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you about your story
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thank you I’m glad to be here David tell
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everybody who you are and tell everybody
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your background please okay and my name
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is David forever
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I served 24 years in the military
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enlisted marine for a couple years
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they sent me to Naval Academy then I
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flew for 18 years for the Navy had
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literally flew a-sixes Hornets and then
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super hornets had every qualification
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you could get in the airplane everything
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even the stuff they’re not doing anymore
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so I had nvg high/low went to Top Gun
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and at the time of the incident we’re
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going to talk about I was a commanding
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officer of VF a41 the black aces
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um I’ve gone through a gurney with this
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whole UFO stuff from being a full-on
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true believer to being incredibly
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skeptical to trying to be open-minded to
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being more of a believer now than I
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think I’ve ever been before
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and one of the things that I’ve always
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said is the people that I believe that
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there’s a lot of loony people out there
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but the people that I put my trust in
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are high-level military people like
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yourself so when I hear someone like you
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who has a story that defies logic or
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defies conventional understanding of how
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aircrafts work that’s when that’s when I
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sit back and I go okay this this is a
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different thing because you know there’s
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always people that are telling you
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they’re psychic or they can you know
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they sense things or they’re in
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communication with Bigfoot there’s
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always loony people out there but when
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someone is in the military someone who’s
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trained to fly these in Krabi how
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expensive for those jets when we haven’t
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met about seventy million dollars a
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piece yeah they don’t give those two
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morons typically not some people in my
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family would probably argue that point
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but a better lucky than good it just
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seems to me that this is for rational
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people that want to look at this whole
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UFO
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objectively you’re the type of person
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that I want to talk to so I was very
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excited to have you in here so what year
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was your incident and you have a very
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very famous incident that’s krob
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corroborated by actual evidence which is
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one of the rare ones what year was it
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and where did it take place
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so as 2004 November 14th of the it’s
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really if you draw San Diego to Ensenada
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Mexico or about 60 miles off the coast
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in between the two we’re doing work ups
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so when we get ready to deploy this was
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for the 2005 deployment we were going at
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sea for November and December of 2004 so
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we had been out I’d just taken over the
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squadron mid-october so I’d been the CEO
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for a month so we go out and we’re
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putting the Battle Group pieces together
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so it’s not just the the Air Wing but we
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were you know we’re on the carrier we’ve
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got the cruiser we’ve got all support
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ships out there and we’re gonna
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integrate all the defenses and train as
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one unit so the exercise we’re going to
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do is an air defense exercise where
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there’s good guys bad guys they’re all
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from internal from the Air Wing so two
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bad guys today are gonna be the Marines
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VM fat32 the Red Devils so they’re gonna
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launch and they’re gonna go about
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hundred miles south of the ship and
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we’re the good guys and it’s we called a
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2v2 so it’s two of us against two of
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them we’re going to work with the USS
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Princeton which is going to be the
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controller and they’re going to control
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the blue forces and then the red guys
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are going to give us a presentation that
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you know they’re going to try and
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intercept so we can stop them from
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getting up towards the carrier so that’s
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kind of the training set that we’re all
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good so the Marines take off first and
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they start heading to the South now we
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have no idea that for two weeks this is
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the two weeks we’ve been at sea they’ve
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been tracking these things coming out of
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the sky and when I talked to the Prince
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controller he’s like up to about a dozen
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of them they would come down from above
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80,000 feet they drop down to about
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20,000 feet and hang out and then it
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goes straight back up after about three
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or four hours so when you say they’ve
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been tracking them who specifically this
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is the USS the Princeton is tracking
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them they saw him on the Nimitz radar
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and the e2 could see them so because
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they’re out there you know that radar is
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on all the time
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and the spy-1 system on an Aegis Cruiser
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is you know the state of ours probably
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was one of the most sophisticated
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systems in the world so typically when
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something like this happens and
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some unexplained phenomenon what do they
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do in this case that you know if it was
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if we were in a threat environment they
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would tell us but they’re off the coast
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of San Diego it doesn’t come to the air
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wing so we have no idea that these
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things are out there at all so they
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observe these things and they never
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bother telling any of you guys that’s
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correct so they just knew that these
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things had been visiting this area but
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they just allowed this training exercise
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to take place anyway
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yeah talking to him the previous for the
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two weeks they would show up but it was
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when we weren’t flying
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so the typical carrier schedule is you
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know for us it was about noon to
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midnight it’s a 12-hour day there’s
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reasons for that you can go a lot longer
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they can but for training we just do the
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12-hour day thing and it’s cyclic ops so
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you got guys taking off and landing
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periodically so we were on one of the
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first goes you know it’s you know noon
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one o’clock somewhere on there and we
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take off the Marines take off first and
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my buddy cheeks who’s the CEO of the
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marine squadron was one he was leading
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the red air they had when he launched
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off the carrier first they called him up
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and said hey what do you got on board
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well the the small the original legacy
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f-18s don’t have as much gas as the
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super hornets super hornets about thirty
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percent bigger so they start talking to
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him about fuel and based on how long
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we’re gonna be airborne and everything
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else they go hey why don’t you just go
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ahead and proceed to your your cap point
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and because we had just taken off and
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that’s when the controller had come up
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and said hey yeah I forget our cost and
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spread like dealers usually what we went
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so it’d be like dealer one one this is
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Princeton control what do you got you
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know say your loadout kind of chuckled
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he said I said I got a Kadim nine which
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is a it’s a basically of just a blue
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metal tube with a seeker head for a name
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9ir missile it’s a training it doesn’t
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come off the airplane you can beat it
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with a sledgehammer that’s the only way
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you’re gonna get it off or you got to
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unlock the lugs with a key so I’m like
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kind of chuckling because well hey we’re
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gonna cancel the training so we’re like
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okay he says we got real-world vector
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and they’re gonna send us out to the
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west so picture if it’s you know if you
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got a clock the Nimitz is in the middle
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we’re a little bit south of that about
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forty miles south and then the Marines
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are about a hundred miles south of the
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ship about sixty miles between the two
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of us so as this is all happened in my
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wingman is joining up all right and
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these are f-18s so there’s two people in
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each jet so it’s me and my WIZO which is
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weapon systems operator and i’ve got
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the other pilot and the weapon systems
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operator any other jet so they tell us
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all this hey we’re gonna real world
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vector and they send us out to seven
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zero about sixty miles away from where
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we’re going so now we’re going out even
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further out to sea we have no idea what
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we’re intercepting and this is when the
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controller starts talking to us he says
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hey sir we’ve seen these objects they’ve
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been for two weeks they’ve been coming
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down and he’s given us the whole story
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says we need you to go investigate we
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want to know what these are but they’re
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asking you to investigate in a jet
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that’s unarmed that’s correct okay yeah
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we have no there’s reasons for that that
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we don’t fly we typically don’t fly with
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live ordnance unless we’re actually
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going into like a combat zone or we’re
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on a training range and we’re gonna
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shoot something and the reason is you
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can go through history of the Navy or
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Air Force if you put live missiles on
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airplanes and then you start doing
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training where you’re squeezing the
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trigger someone always messes the switch
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ology up and someone gets shot down it’s
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happened multiple times so we don’t do
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it you know there’s times that we do but
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it’s rare so we start flying out to the
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west now I want you to think because the
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other pilot has a you know when you talk
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to it’s good south it was a female when
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you talk to her it’s she hears the kind
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of goes through the mindset of hey we’re
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off the coast of Mexico real world
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vector we have no idea we’re going to
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look at probably drug runner cuz you get
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the drum runners coming up the coast so
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we’re like okay so we drive out and
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they’re calling down ranges so they’re
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telling us hey it’s two-seven-zero at 30
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miles at 20,000 feet and then it’s you
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know you just count down the ranges and
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we’re talking back and forth the whole
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time so they got to a point where they
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say hey merge plot which means radars
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have resolution cells
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you know range and asmath of what the
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radar can actually see once you’re
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inside that box you can’t tell the
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difference between me and the object I’m
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going in will just become one big blob
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mmm so they call merge plot and so the
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other jet is on my left-hand side and
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we’re gonna and I’m going to go to a
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clock code to make it simple so the
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object we’re going to end up looking for
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is then right in the middle of the clock
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and we are at the six o’clock position
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and my wingman is off to my left side so
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it’s she’s further down with her widow
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so as we’re looking around we we look to
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the right and there’s a it was yesterday
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there’s a perfect
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example out here that water is perfectly
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calm no Whitecaps I mean it’s literally
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a perfect San Diego California day and
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we see white water it’s something like
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if you see a seamount you know rock
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underwater when you’re standing on the
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shore and the waves are breaking over
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and you’re like what is that it’s
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usually because there’s a rock under the
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water so it looks like that but it’s
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about the size of a 737 it actually kind
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of has a shape of like a cross and it’s
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pointing to the east so you’ve got the
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long part going east-west and you got a
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couple of things going north and south
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so as we’re looking at it cuz that kind
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of draws our eyes we’re like oh that’s
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kind of odd we look down and whiz oh and
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the other airplane comes up and says hey
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skipper do you and that’s about what he
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gets out of his mouth and I’m kind of
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looking at the same thing I go dude you
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see that what is that thing and what we
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see is this white tic-tac looking object
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just above the surface of the water
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pointing north-south and it’s going
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north south east west it’s just
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radically moving forward back left right
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at will and it’s moving around the
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disturbance the white water that we see
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how big is this thing over time it’s
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about 40 feet long and the way I asked
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to mate that is I mean I got a lot of
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time fighting other airplanes so it’s
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about lot size of a Hornet fuselage so
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that’s why you say forty feet this
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thing’s just going left so the first
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thing you see when you look down you go
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and this is with our eyes it’s not
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sensors right so we’re looking down at
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this thing and first thing you think is
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helicopter right there are the
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helicopters typically stay below 200
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feet when we’re out there and they’re
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just driving around we’re pretty far
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away from the ship for a helicopter for
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one of ours so what is it so the first
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thing you look for is rotor wash you
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know if you’ve watched any TV show that
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starts kicking the water up and you can
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see that it’s really easy to see from
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the air so we’re like no rotor wash
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matter of fact don’t see any rotors
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don’t see any tail rotor don’t see any
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you know the main rotors or like that’s
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kind of weird so as we’re driving around
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we’re looking at this thing we get to
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about the nine o’clock position how far
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away are you from this thing I’m at
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20,000 feet and it’s right down on the
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surface – right off our right side so
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I’m probably maybe a couple miles
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lateral and 20,000 feet and we’re just
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watching it move around and so it’s very
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small in your eyes um not overly smarmy
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and airplane down that low it’s 40 feet
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it was pretty clear so I’m like okay so
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I said I’m gonna go check it out that’s
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what we’re trained to do the other pilot
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says hey I’m the
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stay up here and I’m like that’s perfect
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so now we’ll get some separation we’ll
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get it from different views and the
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other airplane will act kind of a God’s
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eye view everything that’s going on as I
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go down and check this thing out
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so I start driving around and it’s still
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doing its Ford back left right it’s
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still pointing north south we get to
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about the 12 o’clock position I’m just
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in a nice easy descent a reason you know
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because I’ve been asked how can you go
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more aggressive you can but when you’re
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out over water the water looks the same
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at 20,000 feet it does it 2,000 feet you
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don’t you know yeah so you can easily
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put yourself in a non recoverable
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position if you’re not paying attention
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and you go into the water so I got this
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nice you just send I get to about 12
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o’clock and as I’m coming down you know
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I could guess probably about you know
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18,000 feet now a couple thousand feet
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below the other airplane the tic-tac
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just kind of rapidly goes and turns so
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now it’s kind of point east-west and now
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it mirrors us so it’s above the surface
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or up high we’re coming down it starts
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coming up well this is getting
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interesting
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so we kind of drive all the way around a
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circle I’m descending it’s coming up and
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I get over to about the eight o’clock
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position of the on a clock and it’s over
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at about the two o’clock position
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well the quickest way as we know as kids
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to get someone you know you can keep
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going around the circle nothing’s going
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to happen you cut across the circle some
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about I don’t know pry two to three
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thousand feet above it and I just kind
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of drop my nose aggressively and I cut
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across the circle and it’s coming this
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way because I’m trying to fly to where
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it’s gonna be because I want to join on
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it I want to see how close I can get to
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right and as I’m pulling up it’s kind of
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starting to cross my nose and it starts
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to accelerate and within about less than
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a second as I start to pull nose onto it
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and it crosses right in front of me it
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just goes poof and it’s gone so I call
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the other airplane I said hey you guys
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you guys see that thing and they’re like
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sure it’s gone we don’t see it at all so
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I’m like okay that’s kind of weird so we
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don’t see it we’re looking at the same
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time I say hey let’s turn around and
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let’s go back to see what was in the
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water you know there’s was there
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something there so we turn around right
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there we haven’t gone anywhere it’s gone
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waters perfectly there’s no white water
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nothing it’s just blue like okay so we
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turned back around now we’re heading
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back out towards the east and I tell the
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controller I said well I said you know
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first said I’m kind of weirded out and I
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told my my backseater that we start
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heading back and the controller on the
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Princeton comes at me says sir you’re
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not going to believe this but that thing
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is back at your cat point that was our
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original point where we were gonna hold
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40 miles south of the ship so this thing
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is went from wherever we were at – it’s
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kind of about 60 miles in you know maybe
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30 40 seconds it’s already over there
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and it just and they didn’t track it it
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just appeared he just shows back up on
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their radar and they go it’s here so
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we’re like okay so we fly back we don’t
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see it we don’t see it on our radar we
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don’t see it on any of our sensors we do
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like two runs and we come back to the
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ship and land so as we’re in our it’s we
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call it the PR shop we’re taking off our
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flight gear one of my crews is getting
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ready to go out and I think they were
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going to be on a tanker mission but they
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had a targeting pod on board so they
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launched off and we’re tell him about
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this before and I in the back seat er
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Chad says he’s really determined he’s
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gonna find this thing so he tells the
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pilot hey we’re gonna find this thing so
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turns out driving around and in the back
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seat of a Super Hornet
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there’s no stick but there’s side stick
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controllers and they’re to control the
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sensors because that’s what the weapons
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systems guys do and they can change
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displays really fast by just hitting a
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button and will flip from the radar to
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the targeting pod and the way the system
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actually works is when you see something
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on the radar and you designate it as
14:45
your primary target all the other
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sensors will look at that point so it’s
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everything’s kind of synced together so
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he picks up a hit on his radar and he
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goes to lock it up because I watched all
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the tapes he goes to lock it up and
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immediately the radar can tell it gets
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signals back that it’s being jammed so
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and technically jamming is an act of war
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it starts jamming the radar goes into a
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jam extrapolate a bunch of stuff happens
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on the scope well he’s smart enough to
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castle to his targeting pod and he takes
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a passive track and that’s the video
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that you see of the tic-tac where it’s
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just sitting in the middle screen real
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quiet so he does that and he and he goes
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through if you watch the video if we had
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and I’d go through it with you but they
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go through all the different modes so he
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goes it’s an IR and an EO EO as TV it’s
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black and white TV camera we do we can
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get the video right online yes let’s get
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the video Jimmy where would you
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can’t show it to anybody we can’t we
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can’t show it on YouTube but you can see
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it and people will be able to go to it
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you know what we’ll do
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go to the video and we’ll tell people
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when we’re starting and we’ll tell
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people with the title of the video that
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you get to is and they can sync it up
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themselves if they’re watching it it’s
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publicly owned it’s you know American
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government right so it is actually
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something in the public domain so you
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think we could play it on YouTube and
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not get cold yeah a hundred percent you
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think so Jamie it’s a government those
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things I would say yes we should be able
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to but sometimes those things get messy
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so let’s take a genius okay let’s take a
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chance with this one I know if you go if
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you’re on a New York Times article
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there’s a link to it it’s had it gone
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really YouTube is crazy with copyright
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stuff and we’ve always been like two
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steps away from getting pulled off
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YouTube completely it’s a real disaster
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it’s understand from their perspective
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there’s a lot of legal issues they have
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to deal with but I have it on a private
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server I could maybe send Jamie the
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issue I’d believe though is the actual
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copyright of the video itself oh it’s
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just it’s um Pentagon Pentagon released
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Public Enemy and the Pentagon’s can come
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after us I don’t think so either you
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find it I want to find a good version of
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the video that doesn’t have somebody
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Jeremy I’m watermark version please look
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it up the sons of Jeremy over to us
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I have to figure out how to send it to
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you right here give me in a second do
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you have air drop what did you hear drop
17:02
yeah but I got it on a bit pay I got it
17:04
on a page a private page they can send
17:06
Jamie oh yeah okay okay Jeff Jamie’s uh
17:08
info no okay I’ll figure it out Lee says
17:13
to me and I’ll send to him okay that’s
17:15
pretty easy sorry to disrupt the
17:18
momentum no but I think this it’s
17:21
probably important to be able to have
17:23
this the the video itself so you could
17:26
just talk about it and we’re about to
17:32
yank it up here okay Jamie wrote it down
17:34
for you there you go give me a second to
17:36
get it okay and for people don’t know
17:38
Jeremy also produced bob lazar area 51
17:43
in flying saucers and he was in here
17:45
when we had bob lazar in talked about
17:48
Bob’s experience
17:49
and Jesus if that wasn’t a game-changer
17:52
for me and for a lot of other people
17:55
this is a subject that it’s so easy to
17:57
mock you know this is why I think it’s
17:59
so important that we talk to people like
18:02
you because like I said just your
18:05
average everyday UFO crackpot they
18:08
believe everything in anything have you
18:10
did you have you ever had any UFO
18:13
experiences before this know the irony
18:16
and I tell this story my mother in law
18:19
shall be listening she she literally
18:21
every time I would go home she would ask
18:23
me hey did you see UFO do you see if you
18:25
haven’t I’d be like no when I first
18:26
started dating my wife she was a big
18:28
like National Enquirer she had all the
18:30
you know supermarket tabloids and I
18:32
would always just feed her crap for it
18:34
so I this happens and you know and I’m I
18:37
never say a word so my friends all knew
18:40
it was a great story over beers cuz they
18:41
go hey what’s the coolest thing you ever
18:42
saw flying I go I chased a UFO and they
18:44
go seriously and I tell them the store
18:46
and they’re like dude I go yeah so I go
18:50
home and and I got got asked by Lou
18:52
Elizondo to do the New York Times
18:53
article which as like anything else I
18:56
always say no like it took a bunch of
18:58
times to get me on your show Jeremy kept
19:00
asking asking asking and it was Thank
19:01
You Jeremy Mike yeah yeah I thank my
19:03
contractor’s wife angel who we were to
19:06
party drinking and she goes we got to do
19:07
Rogan I go what she goes
19:08
it’s the biggest podcast on the planet
19:10
she goes you got to do it and I go
19:11
alright I’m gonna do it just for you I
19:13
want to do this show a shout-out to
19:14
angel yeah from New Hampshire so so my
19:19
mother-in-law we’re sitting there and I
19:20
know the New York Times article is gonna
19:22
come out and as I was at Thanksgiving in
19:25
20 when there were a come on seventeen
19:27
so it’s Thanksgiving in 2017 I never
19:29
wanted to kind of left the house that’s
19:31
just my wife and my in-laws a couple I
19:33
was sitting in the kitchen and I said
19:34
hey I got to tell you guys this they
19:35
said what I said there’s gonna be this
19:36
article comes out in the New York Times
19:38
and I’m in it and they’re like yeah go
19:40
well I chased a UFO my mother-in-law is
19:43
like haha she looks at my father-in-law
19:46
he’s rolling his eyes looking at me like
19:47
are you serious and I go yeah yeah and
19:49
and she’s like you never told us I got
19:52
never really told anyone I mean my wife
19:53
and kids knew the event happened but
19:55
they didn’t have all the details cuz
19:56
there’s just one of those things we just
19:57
didn’t I just didn’t get into is it
19:59
classified
20:00
no was it at any point in time no
20:02
a lot of rumors out there that I was
20:04
classified and the ship got locked down
20:06
no it wasn’t it was we were never men in
20:10
suits did not show up no one told us not
20:13
to talk about it and this is because
20:14
there’s a lot of other people saying
20:16
other things and I said this look at it
20:18
that here’s the context so in the battle
20:20
group you’ve got the Admiral
20:23
you got the captain of the ship the
20:24
captain of the Princeton and then you’ve
20:26
got the other COS so in position wise
20:29
I’m probably as a CEO of a squadron in
20:32
the top 20 out of 6,000 and no one came
20:36
to talk to me no one came to take my
20:39
tapes no one showed up in a suit no one
20:41
told me not to talk no one talked to any
20:42
of my aircrew that were involved in this
20:44
all there’s six people total involved
20:46
the two they shot the video on the four
20:47
of us that looked at it for five minutes
20:48
with our eyes knowing nothing it just
20:52
and I can get into how that you know
20:55
there’s a report that that George Knapp
20:58
got released it’s a I call it the
20:59
unofficial official report and I had met
21:03
someone and I’m like hey can you find
21:06
any I had this incident normally you
21:08
tell people this they look at you like
21:10
dude what are you smoking I’m like no no
21:13
I’m good I’m tested and they go and and
21:17
they said well let me see what I can do
21:19
and I had got a call I was working I was
21:22
doing some aerospace work and I had
21:24
gotten a call my cell phone from a guy
21:25
and he said hey I want to investigate
21:29
your incident and I go okay so he did he
21:33
investigated the incident and it was
21:35
very very thorough I mean if you’ve read
21:37
that it’s about 10 pages long and he
21:39
yeah I mean he tracked down everybody he
21:41
tracked down all the people that were
21:42
the aircrew that were involved he talked
21:44
to he tracked down the Admiral he talked
21:47
you mean he it was a pretty thorough
21:48
report and I don’t think anything of it
21:50
you know because you know the the people
21:53
who weren’t it’s out there so they want
21:54
to do FOIA but it was never released in
21:55
a FOIA request I actually had the Navy
21:57
call me I’d been out of the Navy for
21:59
like six years and what’s explain to
22:01
people that means freedom moved
22:02
infrequently so I got called by a public
22:06
affairs person from the Navy and said
22:08
hey is this commander forever I said
22:10
yeah they said hey do you know of any
22:12
documentation on your UFO incident off
22:15
the Nimitz
22:16
and I said official and she said yeah I
22:19
said no because I knew the rapport
22:21
existed but to me it was an unofficial
22:22
because I didn’t know who were when I
22:24
and I had a copy of it but because it
22:27
wasn’t official well then years later I
22:29
find out that the guy who actually did
22:30
the report was part of the a tip team
22:32
and I was talking to Lou Elizondo who
22:34
runs that program and Lou showed me the
22:36
documentation of the original I think is
22:38
like 13 people that were part of a tip
22:39
and they were fully exempt and I’m like
22:41
well that’s kind of well hey I know that
22:43
guy he’s a guy that did the report which
22:45
is why it never ever came out no George
22:49
got his hands on how does something
22:50
Freedom of Information Act exempt
22:53
obviously DoD has the ability because
22:56
I’m a I’m not a conspiracy theory person
22:59
at all I mean I’ll just tell you that
23:00
you know I think there’s reasons that
23:02
the government doesn’t tell the public
23:03
everything and I don’t speak for the
23:05
government but I think there’s a good
23:06
reason for that that not everything
23:08
needs to go out to the public but most
23:10
of it does and they just what they do is
23:12
I put a clause on hey for this program
23:13
or whatever we’re doing which would been
23:15
an a-type program the work that they do
23:17
and what they find is not it’s not
23:19
releasable through Freedom of
23:20
Information Act there’s probably other
23:21
avenues to get that you know and then
23:23
you go well what really is freedom
23:24
information because I got into this
23:25
sauna I was talking to someone who’s a
23:27
conspiracy theorist and they said well
23:28
so and so wrote and they’re not getting
23:30
any information on your event I said so
23:32
what are they gonna do they’re gonna
23:33
call up you’re gonna put in your request
23:34
for for freedom information you go
23:36
here’s what I want it goes to some poor
23:38
guy at the Pentagon who’s like I have no
23:40
idea what this is and he searches around
23:41
he doesn’t find anything he looks at his
23:43
bud and I gain all for you I go hey Joe
23:44
you got anything on the Nimitz incident
23:45
you go oh I go okay well I didn’t find
23:48
anything I looked I did my due diligence
23:51
but I’m not gonna spend the next six
23:52
months of my life doing your research
23:54
project for you right so you get nothing
23:56
and then you assume the government’s
23:57
covering up when they go that really
23:58
isn’t they just you know the guys are
23:59
doing the research doesn’t know where
24:01
it’s had or nice access to it makes
24:02
sense um Jamie we have the video okay
24:06
here we go
24:07
now explain what what is what are we
24:09
seeing why we seeing it in this this
24:11
particular cat the don’t
24:16
on the top left corner na R is narrow
24:19
field of view which is zoomed in IR at
24:24
the top middle it means it’s an infrared
24:25
mode so instead of seeing color you’re
24:28
seeing temperature variations
24:29
and these things are extremely sensitive
24:31
to in like tents of degrees they will
24:33
tell you the difference so it’ll go from
24:35
black to white so in this case white is
24:37
hot so if you look down on the bottom
24:39
left corner it says WH T mm that’s white
24:43
it means white is hot so the object that
24:44
you’re looking at is hotter than the sky
24:46
around it but we also notice is there’s
24:48
no plumes not if you’re looking at an
24:50
airplane when you get closer you’ll
24:51
actually see the exhaust coming out and
24:53
there will be a really glowing plume
24:54
that’s important as we look at the video
24:55
and then most of the stuff on here you
24:58
really don’t need to know what you can
24:59
look at is the bottom right corner it
25:01
says $19,990 tude and if you look up in
25:06
the little words or it says HD G and
25:08
then B alt B it’s autopilot so it’s on
25:11
altitude hold it’s just flying for that
25:13
so you can go ahead and play the video
25:15
and so those two bars next to the white
25:20
object that’s a that’s a that’s a
25:21
passive track so what he’s done is he’s
25:24
commanded the FLIR to track that so what
25:26
the system does is it uses its actually
25:28
tracking it can track pixels and it’s
25:30
just basically blocked those hot pixels
25:32
those white pixels from the black ones
25:33
and you’re gonna see now pause it real
25:36
quick so it over the top see it went to
25:38
a white screen with the black object
25:39
this is a black and white TV mode and
25:41
even look at the top says TV so narrow
25:44
in TV mode is actually you can get
25:46
closer than narrow and IR it’s literally
25:48
narrow in IR is about medium and TV mode
25:51
so there’s you can get closer with the
25:52
TV mode so as you look at it now in this
25:54
case you would actually start to see
25:57
stuff going on and even in TV mode
25:59
because you get exhaust you know the
26:00
black exhaust that comes out he’ll
26:02
usually be able to see kind of some of
26:04
that coming out the back and you don’t
26:05
see anything this thing’s just sitting
26:06
there and if you look at the the top
26:08
where it says three right that’s the pot
26:10
is looking three degrees right on the
26:11
nose of the airplane right so he’s just
26:14
flying along the bottom numbers don’t
26:15
worry those are time so it’s 41 56 so go
26:19
ahead and hit play and what what he’s
26:22
doing is he’s going Chad’s going through
26:24
all the different modes cuz he’s like oh
26:26
I got it and he’s gonna try and see the
26:27
best video you can get now there’s
26:29
rumors that this video is like 10
26:31
minutes long know what you’re looking at
26:32
is the entire video now notice where it
26:34
says 99.9 mm-hmm so hit pause real quick
26:36
what that means is the why he’s got the
26:38
pod the targeting pod because that’s his
26:40
primary sensor right now the radar still
26:42
trying to look at this object
26:43
and trying to range it and the radar
26:45
can’t get ranging on it so the object is
26:48
doing something to say I’m not giving
26:50
you back because it’s just a Doppler
26:51
radar just like a police radar as a
26:53
Doppler it’s trying to get arranging on
26:55
you and it can’t do it so when it says
26:56
99.9 the radar cannot see this object
26:59
right now mmm it’s not allowing it to
27:01
get ranging and I think that’s super
27:02
important Dave the way he explained it
27:04
to me
27:05
active jamming compared to passive
27:07
jamming this is a technology that is
27:09
actively jamming this system rather than
27:12
something like stealth aircraft which is
27:14
the shape and texture of the yeah it’s
27:17
because I one thinks stealth is
27:19
invisible it’s not it’s it’s just it’s a
27:21
technology to to basically make it
27:24
harder for radars to see you you know
27:26
and that’s the whole thing you know if
27:27
you look at you know airplanes that are
27:30
knows on are harder to see than
27:32
airplanes at the sides kind of like
27:33
think of a barn door if you’re looking
27:36
at the whole barn door it’s really easy
27:37
see if I turn the barn door sideways
27:38
works really thin it’s gonna be a lot
27:40
harder for you to see it guys so that’s
27:41
it that’s the easiest most basic way to
27:43
look at this so keep going you can play
27:45
again
27:45
and you can look to the airplane is
27:47
still sitting at 20,000 feet it’s doing
27:49
250 knots he’s gonna go through
27:51
different modes and try and lock it and
27:54
it’s just kind of sitting in all of a
27:56
sudden as the video goes on I think it’s
27:58
a minute and a half long see it’s going
27:59
to try and reacquire it Rhys enters the
28:01
pod so it’s it’s slowly drifting to the
28:03
left the the Hornet is still going the
28:06
same heading it’s just kind of hanging
28:08
out and they’re just filming this thing
28:09
and I when they get close it’s gonna
28:11
zing off the left-hand side when you see
28:14
it on a full because it’s you know you
28:16
think digital you’d be able to get a
28:17
one-for-one copy I’m like you know when
28:19
you copy your album to a cassette you
28:20
know you lose a little quality well you
28:22
still do in digital world and they’re
28:23
off it goes to the left and that’s
28:25
pretty fast to leave that field of view
28:26
on the when we have big monitors that we
28:29
look at these when they come back so
28:30
we’re looking at the original tapes so
28:31
they the end of that again please Jamie
28:34
so when it’s taking off how fat when
28:37
when it just sort of like leaves the
28:39
field of view and takes off to the left
28:40
how fast is that going I would say
28:43
pretty fast it’s an estimate if we had
28:45
ranging you know you could obviously
28:46
view the triangle and go hey because we
28:48
know how big the field of view is but
28:49
for something to leave the field of view
28:50
that fast with the pod just staring is
28:53
pretty fast I mean it just it’s like out
28:55
of here like nothing that
28:57
we have no because we can’t I don’t care
29:00
what airplane is so let’s just use the
29:02
f-22 Raptor that’s probably one of the
29:04
it’s probably the best airplane in the
29:05
world right now performance wise it
29:09
can’t take off like that especially if
29:11
it’s a hover I mean you’re talking
29:13
something that’s just sitting in space
29:14
in the wind and then it just all of a
29:16
sudden accelerates airplanes don’t work
29:18
that way and it’s not leaving any
29:19
exhaust plume no notice there’s none and
29:21
when you go back to geography n even in
29:24
the IR you don’t yes here’s IR zoomed in
29:26
and there’s no you would see a plume if
29:28
that was an airplane
29:28
it’s creepy how it takes off yeah with
29:31
active jamming it’s intelligently
29:33
controlled there’s no rotors there’s no
29:35
plumes there’s no exhaust there’s no
29:37
tail fin there’s no tail number this
29:40
thing goes from a standstill takes off
29:43
it’s a propulsion system we don’t have
29:45
in our inventory and no other nation
29:47
does that’s how it’s understood by the
29:49
government now that that’s say if the
29:53
fastest plane on earth was trying to do
29:57
that same maneuver this system would be
29:59
able to track it yeah well yeah we’d
30:02
stay with it
30:03
until it got to the limits of the pod
30:05
you know as far as looking to the left
30:06
but right and you know the radar would
30:08
see it I mean we get get close enough
30:11
you’re gonna you know everything becomes
30:13
visible because you get burned through
30:15
with radar and how how radars actually
30:17
work this one is you know you tell me
30:23
but this was performance beyond I mean
30:27
it’s like when we saw it disappear when
30:29
it flew in front of my nose I’m talking
30:30
something I’m within a half mile of it
30:32
looking at it and it gets in front of me
30:34
and just disappears
30:35
so take we’ll just go to something that
30:37
everyone knows as fast let’s just say
30:39
sr-71 that’s doing Mach 3
30:41
you know the visibilities fifty miles so
30:45
even at 35 miles a minute I’m gonna be
30:47
able to see this thing turn into a
30:48
little dot as it goes off into the
30:50
horizon for a probably a minute the
30:53
thing that we saw disappeared in a
30:55
second just gone and that’s from two
30:57
different angles remember the other
30:58
airplanes 8,000 feet above me because we
31:00
we get close to at about 12,000 feet so
31:03
the other airplanes above me looking
31:04
down and when it disappeared I said you
31:06
guys see it they said no it’s gone they
31:08
just literally was poof
31:10
now when you came back and what do you
31:15
do with this information do you report
31:18
it do you talk to people about it
31:20
so the typical process any time we fly
31:23
everything gets debrie so because it was
31:25
a two-seat airplane usually the junior
31:27
person then the jet goes down so I was
31:30
the boss so I wasn’t going down there so
31:31
we have a thing called Civic c VI C
31:33
which is the carrier Intel Center so
31:36
they go down we always take our tapes
31:38
because we record stuff when we’re
31:39
fighting they take it down and it’s
31:41
really to exercise the system when we’re
31:43
in training so that when we actually get
31:45
over to in this case we are going over
31:46
to the Persian Gulf you know anything
31:48
that we do comes in and gets debriefing
31:49
then it all gets sent off that’s how you
31:50
get the CNN video and all that so they
31:54
go down and a debrief and I have to tell
31:55
hey we we chase this object we don’t
31:57
know what it is you know and of course
32:00
everyone now is gonna make jokes because
32:02
we know we’re gonna catch shit because
32:03
that’s how the Navy works you know and I
32:05
told him I said I remember telling the
32:07
guy in my back seat I said dude you know
32:09
we’re gonna catch maximum shit for this
32:11
and he goes yes sir I’ll show you the
32:14
comics I have him on my phone we do the
32:16
airplane comes out so we know it’s gonna
32:18
come down so he goes any day debrief
32:20
this both crews going in and of course
32:24
everyone at Intel thinks this is
32:25
hilarious so the flight the you know
32:29
Chad comes in with his tapes you know
32:30
and when he lands and there’s the thing
32:33
yeah vfa 41 ha ha guys see any UFOs out
32:37
there and he pulls out that tape and
32:39
drops it on the counter he goes yeah
32:40
it’s on here so they’re like oh shit so
32:43
they copy it they play it and there’s a
32:45
big it looks like a rack system they put
32:47
the eight mil in it gets copied to a
32:48
hard drive and then they they archive it
32:52
so you go okay so I got this video and
32:54
then you know the ship spreads you know
32:57
if you have a room around the ship 5,000
33:00
people are gonna know about it within
33:01
probably thirty minutes I mean it
33:03
spreads that it’s like a virus so the
33:05
whole ship now knows that we chased this
33:07
I guarantee the whole Princeton knew
33:08
this stuff was going on and it goes all
33:10
the way up the Admiral knows about it
33:12
the captain of the ship knew about it
33:13
and and then all the movies because we
33:16
have they play movies for us on the ship
33:18
and they run like a 12 hour loops of
33:20
course the movie selection is men and
33:21
black men and black
33:22
two signs Independence Day and and we
33:28
know we’re gonna be on the airplane
33:29
comet because there’s always a comic so
33:30
you do some stupid or like this then
33:33
you’re gonna be on the comm I’ll show
33:34
you the comics here a little bit oh
33:35
they’re pretty funny but you know so
33:39
that went on for two days but you know
33:41
we’re in the middle of work ups
33:42
I got a squadron to run so it’s like you
33:44
know there was after about the first day
33:45
and a half early died down and then it
33:48
was there’s always that closet people
33:49
that you don’t think that it really like
33:50
UFO buffs and you know like we had one
33:53
on one like one of the Marines would
33:54
always come and eat sit down hey hey
33:55
skipper can I sit with you okay you want
33:57
to talk about the UFO he goes yeah I
33:59
just I can’t get it out of my mind and
34:01
then we would just sit there and talk
34:02
about it you know and to me it was like
34:04
you know we’re just saying you know my
34:07
entire now flying career is defined by
34:09
five minutes of chasing this white
34:10
tic-tac vice almost 4,000 hours you know
34:14
flying so now did you encounter anyone
34:16
else that had a similar experience I’ve
34:20
talked to the guys a couple of guys from
34:21
the East Coast event the gimbal video
34:23
mm-hmm
34:24
one of them I talked to you daily he’s
34:27
pretty good friend of mine totally
34:29
different now keep in mind ours is 2004
34:32
the gimbal video is 2015
34:36
the funny part about the gimbal video
34:38
and the East Coast stuff that was going
34:40
on because that’s off the vacate so off
34:43
the coast of the United States sir
34:44
they’re called warning areas and all
34:45
they are is their if you look out of
34:47
aviation map they’re these big areas
34:49
that are blocked off by blue and they
34:51
say like whiskey 291 or whiskey 243 and
34:54
is the gimbal video available in the
34:56
same way that that video is available
34:57
yes yeah okay so and I was talking to
35:03
him about it cuz I asked a buddy of mine
35:05
he was just retired he was the he led
35:08
two fighter wing on the East Coast night
35:09
called him up because we start finding
35:10
out that these things were so prevalent
35:13
out off the east coast the United States
35:14
and there’s a couple of them so there’s
35:15
the we’re going to talk what they
35:17
started seeing originally was these
35:19
things and one of them almost hit the
35:21
airplane almost hit one of these things
35:22
but it looks like a cube inside of a
35:25
clear beach ball so they don’t know if
35:27
it’s actually like a surrounding or it’s
35:28
you don’t know if it’s a force field and
35:30
you see kind of in the gimbal via video
35:32
it’s got like an aura around it where
35:33
ours didn’t I always laugh I go ours was
35:36
tic-tac these are not that means there’s
35:38
different stuff out there that we don’t
35:39
know but they had two airplanes flying
35:42
and we fly when we go out to to Train
35:44
we’re usually we have a distance you
35:46
know we’ll just say we’re you know ma
35:47
mile apart as we’re flying out so
35:50
they’re flying out and they’re you know
35:52
the airplanes are deployed we caught
35:53
combat spread and one of the airplanes
35:55
almost hits one these goes close down
35:57
like 50 feet down the side and almost
35:59
hits one of these floating cubes inside
36:02
of the beach ball and if someone goes
36:04
out like it’s a it’s a balloon it’s not
36:06
a balloon I mean these things are
36:07
literally sitting still they’re there no
36:10
effect from the winds so if you got 90
36:12
knots of wind and they talk about it
36:13
these things are just sitting there so
36:16
60 or 70 people at see it because the
36:18
radars the the newer radar in the super
36:21
hornets is extremely extremely capable
36:23
okay and at first when they started
36:26
seeing stuff they were like that’s just
36:28
like maybe it’s the radar just give me a
36:29
false target and that really doesn’t
36:31
give false targets and then someone did
36:34
exactly what Chad did is they threw
36:36
their targeting flare out there and all
36:37
of a sudden you see a heat signature
36:38
there’s a return there’s obviously
36:40
something out where that blip is at what
36:43
is a targeting flare that’s a we caught
36:46
the 80 flares it’s an advanced targeting
36:47
flirts it’s on the left side of the
36:49
airplane and it’s launched it like a
36:51
flare no no it’s a it’s a FLIR
36:52
forward-looking infrared receiver so
36:54
it’s when you see the bombs blowing up
36:56
on TV and it’s that looks like a black
36:57
and white and you see it’s like that’s
36:59
the targeting pod okay it’s got a laser
37:01
in it it’s got an IR marker in it it’s
37:03
it’s a very capable system that syncs up
37:05
to this to the Hornet so everything kind
37:08
of marries oh so this is the go-fast now
37:09
this is go fast no it’s the other one
37:12
it’s the was like that what is that
37:14
that’s called the go fast that looks
37:16
like a tic-tac and I was another one
37:17
taking off the East Coast but they
37:19
grabbed it and Mark that one it’s going
37:21
it’s screaming across the ocean at a
37:22
very high rate of speed and there’s been
37:24
some debunkers that say well it’s really
37:25
not going that fast it’s just the way
37:27
the airplane is and how the mechanics of
37:29
the Potter work and when you talk to the
37:31
crew cuz it’s actually I could ask my
37:34
bud I’m pretty sure it’s the same back
37:36
cedar took both of these videos took the
37:39
go-fast video and took the gimbal video
37:41
and my buddy was on the flight with the
37:44
gimbal video but they these things that
37:46
I call my buddies I’m like hey how many
37:48
people are seeing these things I got
37:49
like
37:50
60 or 70 60 or 60 or 70 people had seen
37:53
these things on radar and I said well
37:55
what do you do and they said well we put
37:56
out a note AM which is a notice to
37:58
Airmen that just says hey these things
38:00
are out there so just be careful because
38:02
we don’t want you to hit one yeah and
38:05
it’s kind of like our shego because you
38:08
would ask you know who do you tell well
38:09
everyone knows well what do you do and I
38:12
said well because it was all white and
38:13
it didn’t have any markings on it and it
38:15
didn’t have any wings and it didn’t have
38:17
any rotors and it was just outperformed
38:19
anything that we have yeah I think if I
38:22
would have painted China or Russia on
38:23
the side is this the gimbal video yes
38:25
okay so it’s the same pod in the
38:28
beginning Jamie what we’re looking at
38:30
and when the crew finds it now what
38:33
you’re not seeing you’re seeing it
38:35
targeting when you hear them start
38:36
talking when you listen to the video
38:38
you’ll hear the guy go dude look they’re
38:41
all over look at the SA page so we have
38:43
a situation awareness page and whatever
38:45
the radar is getting returns on it’ll
38:46
show up it’s kind of like our God’s eye
38:48
view in the airplane so the pod can only
38:51
look at one thing so he designates that
38:54
as his primary target so that’s where
38:56
the pod is there the radar still seeing
38:58
everything else so what they’re actually
39:00
seeing this video is what you’re when
39:02
you see that the object that he’s
39:03
tracking when I was talking to one of
39:06
the other pods he said there’s actually
39:07
when you see the radar video there’s
39:09
like a it almost looks like a formation
39:11
in front of them like five smaller ones
39:13
that are moving in front of it and then
39:15
they turn so like a formation these
39:17
things turns and starts going the other
39:18
way and then again while they’re filming
39:20
the gimbal video and that’s kind of the
39:22
comms when you hear it dude holy cow
39:23
look they’re all over this is unreported
39:26
new information that he’s actually
39:28
saying right now everybody knows this
39:30
video this is the one that they say
39:32
turns like the Lazar craft like
39:33
belly-first
39:34
however what he’s telling you right now
39:37
is something that is not public yet he’s
39:38
telling you that there was a V formation
39:40
of other objects that the public has yet
39:42
to see you’re not going to you’re not
39:44
going to the radar tape but I’m not
39:46
gonna there were more objects
39:48
surrounding this is what he’s telling
39:49
you right now which is fascinating
39:50
because the world doesn’t know that yet
39:52
just so you know I mean that’s brand-new
39:55
that’s never been reported by a New York
39:56
Times anybody okay
39:58
so you go ahead play
40:02
so the cool thing with this is that you
40:05
know when he goes into so he’s an IR IR
40:07
mode right now you’re still seeing no
40:09
plume he’s looking 47 so they’re
40:12
actually turning into it so it’s
40:13
starting to pull it back towards the
40:14
nose see how the number at the top is
40:16
decreasing and it’s against the wind now
40:19
he’s in TV mode and this thing’s gonna
40:21
just start to run you can kind of see
40:22
it’s got that aura around it mm-hmm he
40:25
said they were saying that the the ones
40:27
with the squares inside that looked like
40:29
the beach ball were the same and this
40:31
thing is just hanging out so it’s on the
40:34
airplanes on the left-hand turn and it’s
40:36
so now it’s right in front yeah it’s
40:38
it’s just rotating no this is how Lazare
40:41
described you know Lazar described that
40:48
that these things would lay flat and
40:52
then when they would travel they would
40:53
turn up on their side mhm and that’s
40:56
that’s how they maneuvered so this is
40:58
very similar eerily similar to the
41:02
propulsion system that Lazar talked
41:03
about and that’s why this video we’re
41:05
seeing it very differently now
41:07
especially with what we know about Lazar
41:10
but the idea is that it would fly
41:11
belly-first in high-speed mode so if
41:13
they have these are gravity propel this
41:16
is something that’s known within the
41:17
government they’re trying to back
41:18
engineer they’re trying to understand it
41:20
we know there’s a program currently that
41:22
they said is is gone however it is
41:24
currently active to study this these
41:27
things will turn belly first the saucer
41:30
type looking ones and then that’s the
41:32
high speed mode because they focus of
41:34
allegedly you know these gravity wave
41:36
amplifiers look this thing turns
41:38
mechanically there again no typical form
41:43
of propulsion as an expert is telling
41:45
you this is not a glitch this is seen by
41:48
multiple radars multiple people
41:50
commander freighter was so close to it
41:51
this is something that is not
41:53
aerodynamic and it could move in ways
41:56
and fashions when he’s underplaying it
41:57
when we first talked the idea of this
42:00
thing going up up up up up up it’s
42:03
instantaneous acceleration back and
42:05
forth there’s no slowing down no turning
42:06
like a ping-pong ball he said to me our
42:08
first talk ping-pong ball in a in a
42:10
glass nothing moves like that with
42:13
traditional reactionary propulsion
42:15
somebody has technology that we don’t
42:18
have in our inventory at all
42:21
so this is counter-intuitive the way it
42:23
goes from being aerodynamic to being uh
42:26
narrow dynamic when it goes sideways and
42:28
flies belly forward that’s correct it’s
42:32
well it’s not it’s you know if you talk
42:34
because I was just talking that guy the
42:35
other day and he said the the irony with
42:38
is these things would be out there for
42:39
hours we don’t have you know a
42:41
high-performance airplane does not have
42:43
hours where the gas I mean you know
42:45
Hornets we if we don’t have area we’re
42:46
feeling you know and we’re actually out
42:48
doing a mission and fighting and going
42:50
fast you know you’re talking hour and a
42:52
half and you’re coming back to land some
42:55
airplanes are even less you know based
42:57
on their size you know so if like an
42:58
f-16 doesn’t have external fuel tanks it
43:00
doesn’t have a lot of gas and the Soviet
43:03
airplanes are the same way the mig-29
43:05
does not have a lot of gas the su-27
43:06
sweet 30s because of weight because it’s
43:09
weight performance size of the airplane
43:12
so you know even even our
43:15
intercontinental bombers like b2 they
43:16
still take off and they error or fuel
43:18
they keep topped off so they can get to
43:20
range that’s how we extend things you
43:23
got something like this that’s coming
43:24
down you know just think of the physics
43:25
so just you know I’ll use my instant
43:28
because that’s the one I really know the
43:29
best is you’ve got an object coming from
43:31
above eighty thousand feet so I’ll just
43:33
tell you that eighty thousand it’s
43:34
somewhere around seventy eighty thousand
43:36
feet is where you can actually start to
43:37
see the curvature of the earth you know
43:39
so that’s considered space so they’re
43:41
coming from above that they’re coming
43:43
straight down they stop at around twenty
43:46
thousand feet they hang out for three
43:48
hours and then they go straight back up
43:50
so and I know you had a lot on the show
43:53
so SpaceX is really excited because they
43:56
can launch a rocket and then they can
43:58
have the booster come back to earth and
43:59
actually land on a pad very impressive
44:02
engineering feat next to this technology
44:06
that’s like a Model T next to a Porsche
44:09
I mean it’s like wow really that’s it
44:11
you know and you got something that can
44:13
just at will and move around now take it
44:15
to the next level and I know this is
44:17
there’s a lot of talk about this so
44:18
think is going to go into speculation
44:19
mode but when you take a shape like that
44:20
so just take the tic-tac shape which is
44:22
shaped like a submarine if you’re if
44:25
you’re using a propulsion that’s non
44:26
reactive where you’re just manipulating
44:28
the median that you’re in
44:29
err whatever you can go into the water
44:33
so when you hear the all the reports of
44:35
hey we’ve seen these things since you
44:37
know World War two that would come out
44:39
of the water and fly if you have a
44:41
technology like this as long as the
44:43
object is sealed where you’re not going
44:44
to get water inside of it there’s
44:45
nothing that says you can’t do that
44:46
because all you’re doing is you’re not
44:49
you know where a jet engine sucks in air
44:51
and blows it out the back or a propeller
44:53
actually pushes the water it’s a force
44:55
now you’ve got something that’s actually
44:56
manipulating the gravity field and it’s
44:59
just moving through a void then it
45:02
doesn’t then air you could literally in
45:04
theory fly go into the ocean cruise
45:07
around pop back up fly around go to
45:09
space you’re nothing you you remove the
45:12
barriers of the normal propulsion that
45:14
we have today there’s been many
45:15
instances of sightings off the coast of
45:18
California of things that plunge into
45:20
the water or escape from the water and
45:23
take off into space
45:24
so yeah the with this field propulsion
45:27
system as commander favors describing as
45:29
Lazar described it doesn’t matter the
45:31
medium of space air or water there’s no
45:34
resistance no splash and this goes back
45:36
to you know when Christopher Columbus
45:37
reported a UFO sighting he did oh yeah
45:40
did this idea that so this has been
45:43
around anyway this idea boom that you
45:45
can go through these different mediums
45:47
will pause for a second Christopher
45:49
Columbus at a UFO sorry yeah it’s it’s a
45:51
written account so it’s like find that
45:53
no video it’s bullshit
45:59
Leslie but that’s what’s so cool so
46:00
commander framers encounter it’s not the
46:04
most documented it’s not the most
46:06
dramatic however it has had the most
46:09
impact out of any sighting because of
46:12
his credibility and the mere fact that
46:14
the the New York Times picked it up with
46:16
video footage radar evidence and
46:19
somebody who is as credible as commander
46:21
forever it has changed the dynamic of
46:23
the way people the government responds
46:25
new Navy protocols because of commander
46:28
flavor coming forward there are there’s
46:31
closed-door congressional and Senate
46:33
briefings he’s been part of them he’s
46:35
admitted that before there’s a new study
46:37
about UFOs because of this encounter
46:41
it’s so much
46:42
evidence has so much power to it
46:44
compared to other ones the Christopher
46:45
Columbus great cool story somebody wrote
46:47
it down who news who knows if he even
46:48
wrote it down we have highly documented
46:50
cases this one has changed our culture
46:53
and that’s what’s so cool people are
46:55
talking about it differently
46:56
so here’s this is a good story this is
46:59
true so sitting at home and usually when
47:01
people try and find me they get my wife
47:03
cell phone because it’s the first one on
47:04
the cell phone ville and it’s on my name
47:06
so I get I see this call from California
47:08
and I’m like you normally don’t answer
47:09
them and it’s her phone like whose call
47:11
my wife because that is me so I answer
47:15
it and this lady says hey is commander
47:16
forever there and I go who’s calling she
47:19
goes well I’d like to talk to him at her
47:21
forever I go who’s calling she says hi
47:24
I’m a 79 year old woman and I would just
47:27
like to tell him my story I go you’re
47:28
talking to him and she goes I’ve never
47:31
in my life told anyone this
47:32
she goes my I grew up my dad was in the
47:35
Navy she goes I was he was stationed in
47:37
Rhode Island at first when she was a
47:38
child she said we were walking her and
47:40
her mom while walking on the beach and
47:42
they saw these weird lights so that kind
47:44
of got her into that Oh UFOs she goes
47:47
few years later they had moved to San
47:49
Francisco so I imagine Treasure Island
47:51
because at her age that would have been
47:52
you know right in the 50s her dad was
47:55
shit her dad is working as a Navy
47:56
liaison to the agency and he came home
48:00
one day and he had a telegram in his
48:01
hand and she goes for some reason he let
48:03
me read it she’s told me this story and
48:05
I said well what did say she says it was
48:07
it basically said hey unidentified
48:09
objects going in and out of the water
48:11
and it had a latitude and longitude in
48:12
it and he looked at her she goes and I’m
48:15
a child I always remember that she says
48:17
he looked at me and said we get these
48:19
all the time and it’s always in the same
48:21
area and I go of course I go well you
48:25
got the telegram she goes of course not
48:27
he had to take it back to work I said
48:29
you don’t have to remember that
48:30
latitude/longitude she said no she goes
48:33
but you seem to be so credible and
48:36
believable she goes I wanted to tell
48:38
someone the story that I’ve never told
48:39
anyone in my life so that’s what you’re
48:41
starting to see is people that you know
48:44
very credible they’re not you know
48:46
they’re not they’re not crazy they’re
48:47
not making stuff up but they’re coming
48:49
out and going hey I’ve had these
48:51
experience and I’ve got a lot of that
48:52
from for over the last two years where
48:54
people just find my email
48:56
and send me stuff saying hey this
48:57
happened to me I saw this and and
49:00
there’s some things are explainable
49:02
because I got asked to tell this so
49:03
because we’re kind of I have a sixth
49:05
sense of humor at times so like I said I
49:08
had all these koala
49:09
we used to fly they don’t do it right
49:11
now because it’s a little bit dangerous
49:12
but we used to fly night-vision goggles
49:14
low altitude in Hornets all right so
49:18
when you put on night-vision goggles
49:20
they amplify light
49:20
like a lot so you can see a campfire
49:23
like 50 miles away so we used to do it
49:26
the good spots were down in like al
49:27
central California there’s a range that
49:29
there’s some bombing ranges but people
49:32
go camping in the Superstition Mountains
49:33
which is a kind of north and west of
49:36
Imperial by I forget what it is the
49:39
springs it’s real pretty in a desert
49:40
it’ll come to me in a minute
49:42
so we even go out at night flying around
49:44
on goggles and you’d see a campfire and
49:47
you go up UFO time and then you get the
49:51
airplane going about 600 knots and then
49:53
you pull the power back to idle so you
49:55
can’t hear it and you get zing in
49:57
towards the fire well you turn the
49:59
lights are all now because we’re in
50:00
restricted area so we can do that and
50:02
there’s lights on it that you can only
50:04
see if you’re on night-vision goggles
50:06
so the other airplanes can see us but no
50:08
one else can see us you go zing and at
50:10
it and then right when you get to the
50:12
campfire you pull the airplane into the
50:13
vertical yes stroke the afterburners you
50:15
let them light off you count to three to
50:17
pull them off and then you just go away
50:18
instant UFO reporting I’m sitting out in
50:22
the desert it’s all quiet and all of a
50:24
sudden there’s a lure there’s lights in
50:25
the sky and they go away and it’s gone
50:27
like you would do that just to fuck with
50:30
campers yes
50:32
yes I did not the only one who did it
50:35
but like I said we have a sixth sense of
50:37
humor yes so so some things are
50:40
explainable because I guarantee there
50:42
were phone calls made on some of the
50:43
stuff that we did and I guarantee you’re
50:44
not the only one who’s ever done that I
50:46
know I’m not yeah I’m not that creative
50:49
but it’s just you know you think about
50:52
it you go because people go I saw this
50:54
or I saw that because I’ve got stuff
50:55
like that and I go yeah I used to create
50:56
stuff like that just not toes do you are
50:58
you Jeremy I’m sure you’re aware of this
51:00
the footage from the the Mexican Air
51:01
Force yeah yeah very aware that what do
51:03
you think about that well again it’s
51:05
it’s IR footage which is really
51:07
interesting they actually got the
51:08
cameras for
51:08
runners right so you you can see in the
51:11
infrared so it’s beyond the observable
51:13
you know I I myself have not detailed
51:18
looked at the footage however FLIR
51:19
experts and people that work with NSA
51:21
have looked at it for me and they these
51:23
are not lights in the distance
51:25
these are craft very similar to what
51:28
commander favor talks about without
51:29
plumes without heat signatures
51:32
you know non-traditional field
51:34
propulsion systems we don’t have that
51:37
I thought they tried to assist it right
51:39
here it’s just a mexican air force
51:40
footage yeah so they tried to say these
51:43
were lights on like an oil rig out in
51:45
the water that’s been diba you say was a
51:48
fire mm to the comcast video of the year
51:53
was the mexican air force tracking like
51:55
six so literally right after our
51:56
incident I come and we come back and I
51:58
think we were getting ready to go to
51:59
fallon and i’m i had comcast and that
52:02
the homepage comes up and there’s this
52:03
video and i go holy cow that looks like
52:05
what we chased and it was like six of
52:07
these things and they were tracking them
52:08
in the same area two right off the coast
52:09
Ensenada and it’s not as rare there’s
52:12
now admitted and increased frequency the
52:15
pentagon spokeswoman finally went
52:17
off-script i was tracking the scripts
52:19
for the last two years of what pentagon
52:20
spokespeople say about commander favors
52:22
experience someone went off script last
52:24
week in the new york times and she
52:25
admitted there’s an increased frequency
52:27
of near misses because of these a AVS
52:30
anomalous aerospace vehicles so it’s
52:33
pretty astounding we’re getting all
52:34
these kind of revelatory moments in
52:36
these little seeds that these are not
52:38
ours we don’t have this even Elan
52:40
doesn’t have this I mean this is a
52:42
propulsion system unlike anything we
52:45
have it’s amazing it’s gravity propelled
52:48
now that gimbal footage when it said
52:50
that there’s a fleet of them how far
52:53
away are those guys where you’re seeing
52:55
you don’t see the individual objects you
52:57
only see a singular spot well the pod is
53:01
you know when you get pretty narrow it’d
53:02
be like you know if I put three people
53:04
around you I can look at you and not see
53:05
the other people so that’s what the pod
53:07
is doing but the radar is seeing
53:09
everything because it’s a it has a nice
53:11
array dharna which is an active
53:12
electronically scanned array so instead
53:14
of like the radars we had which did the
53:16
mechanical you know doing this like
53:18
old-school
53:18
this thing is just a panel that sits in
53:20
the front of the airplane and through
53:21
beam sharing
53:22
beam’s shaping it can move and it can
53:24
look all over so we used to have what
53:25
was called trackball scans so we would
53:27
be able to track a target why we’re
53:28
still scanning this thing has scan law
53:30
but it scans while tracks so it it
53:33
literally if it sees you if the radar
53:35
sees you it has basically a weapons
53:37
quality solution then it can do that on
53:39
multiple targets is that’s how it that’s
53:41
the same way that the spy radar the
53:43
aegis system works on the cruisers they
53:45
can track multiple targets and have
53:47
weapons quality on all these different
53:48
targets while it’s still scanning a
53:50
volume so in that image you’re seeing
53:53
one individual object but there’s other
53:54
objects yes the radar is seeing the
53:57
object that the pod is looking at where
53:58
they’re talking and when you hear the
54:00
video you hear the the pilot say dude
54:03
look at the sa page there’s there’s a
54:04
whole fleet of them so what they’re
54:06
seeing is the the the pod is looking at
54:09
the main that’s the bigger object at the
54:10
gimbal the thing that’s rotating on the
54:12
screen and there’s five smaller things
54:14
in front so this thing’s just sitting
54:15
there and then they kind of he said they
54:16
turn around on this on the radar and
54:18
start going the other way while the pods
54:20
looking at this guy just kind of
54:21
rotating so like a mothership and
54:23
smaller aircraft could be something
54:25
along those lines is there video of
54:27
those smaller aircrafts are just the
54:29
venom of the one large the only thing
54:30
they have is that the targeting pod I
54:33
would highly doubt even if they had the
54:34
video that they’re gonna release the
54:36
radar video because of classification
54:37
levels are you able to tell the story
54:40
you told me about what was underwater
54:43
with your your other buddy because is
54:46
that okay yeah yeah
54:47
so it remains you know people come out
54:50
of the woodwork when they figure out you
54:51
feni’s because now they don’t feel alone
54:54
so I was working I’d worked I still do
54:57
it but I was doing oil and gas at the
54:59
time on a contract and one of the guys
55:01
the story came out and he was a Navy
55:03
helicopter pilot and he comes in he
55:06
comes in he goes Dee can I talk to you
55:08
man I go what am I guess I gotta talk to
55:10
you I said what do you wanna talk to me
55:12
about he says dude you know your UFO he
55:15
said yeah he goes I had a similar
55:16
experience I said what’s that he said he
55:18
was flying ch-53 s which is a big lift
55:21
heavy lift that the Marine Corps uses
55:23
and the Navy uses it for certain things
55:24
and when they go off of for the East
55:27
Coast they do a lot of shooting off of
55:28
at the time it was off of Puerto Rico we
55:30
had Roosevelt roads that they ended up
55:31
close and
55:32
but he was flying out of there and you
55:35
know you got super clear Caribbean water
55:37
and they have these things called beak
55:39
um as they fly around and when they’re
55:40
all done because they’ll fly towards the
55:42
ships and the ship can sorry about that
55:44
they can track with the radar and then
55:46
they also do in a like the ships or
55:48
submarines shoot torpedoes there they’re
55:50
called telemetry rounds so they have
55:52
they gather all the data on what the
55:53
torpedo or is doing underwater and then
55:55
they blow ballast and this thing will
55:57
come to the surface and float and then
55:58
they go pick them up and then they can
55:59
extract all the data out of them so they
56:02
do it for both so he said the first time
56:04
they’re out and they’re gonna pick up
56:04
his beak um and those things when
56:07
they’re flying they’re done a parachute
56:08
comes out and they gotta go they hook it
56:09
up the helo drops a swimmer in the water
56:11
he goes and hooks this whole thing up
56:13
then they hoist the whole thing up and
56:14
fly back and then they extract it in so
56:16
he says he’s sitting in the front you
56:18
know in helicopters there’s you know
56:19
c-53 you can actually see down by your
56:21
feet you know just like typical like you
56:22
got a Hawaiian ride so because you can
56:24
see when you’re touching down so you got
56:25
really good visibility out of those
56:27
things and you can stick your head out
56:28
the window too because you’re just gonna
56:29
hang it out he says he’s going on there
56:31
and they’re getting this thing hooked up
56:32
and as he’s looking down you know cuz
56:34
they’re I don’t know what fifty feet
56:36
above the water he sees kind of this
56:37
dark mass coming up from the depths and
56:39
they starting to hoist the the diver up
56:42
and he’s got they’ve gotten a beak um
56:43
and as they hoist it up he says and he’s
56:45
looking at the single and what the hell
56:46
is that and then it just goes back down
56:48
underwater it’s just like once they
56:50
pulled a kid in the beak um out of the
56:52
water this object descends back into the
56:54
deficit so he thinks well I was pretty
56:57
weird so he goes out he says not too
56:59
long later you know a few months later
57:00
he’s out he’s picking up a torpedo so he
57:03
says they got the they hooked the diver
57:05
up on the winch and they’re lowering him
57:07
in and he’s looking down he sees this
57:08
big massive because it’s not a submarine
57:10
he’s seen submarines before once you see
57:11
a submarine he can’t confuse it with
57:13
something else this big object you know
57:16
kind of circular says it’s coming up
57:18
from the depths and he starts screaming
57:19
to through the intercom system to tell
57:22
him to pull the diver up and the divers
57:23
like Fifi from the water so they’ve
57:26
reversed the winch and the divers
57:27
thinkin what the hell’s going on and
57:28
he’s getting pulled up and all of a
57:30
sudden he said the torpedo just got
57:33
sucked down underwater and the object
57:35
just descended back down into the depths
57:37
and they never occurred that that
57:39
torpedoes Jesus and this happened in the
57:41
late 90s late mid to late 90s thank you
57:46
I can pray get in touch with him and ask
57:47
him and he told me this story and I’m
57:48
like how do you report that you come in
57:51
and go well
57:52
where’d the torpedo go I just got sucked
57:55
down they just went down you know and
57:56
then you get to people that attribute it
57:58
as I something happened when it blew
57:59
ballasts and it just took on water and
58:01
sink and he’s like it didn’t sink he
58:02
goes it literally looked like it got
58:04
sucked down the only reason he didn’t
58:07
they talked to him when they did the New
58:09
York Times stuff they talked to him but
58:10
it because the incident was from the 90s
58:13
they didn’t want to they wanted
58:14
something you know newer mm-hmm so they
58:16
did not include it but I know they
58:17
talked to him about it now what was the
58:19
other footage that we were walking at
58:20
there was the first footage that Jamie
58:21
pulled up there wasn’t a gimbal footage
58:23
go fast go fast what is that that’s a it
58:26
actually looks more like a tic-tac but
58:28
it’s they saw it going across the water
58:31
and they’re they’re just grabbing a lock
58:33
so they’re seeing this with their eyes
58:35
and he gets the FLIR to lock out and
58:36
that’s when you hear the kid go I got it
58:38
cuz he gets the AutoTrack and it’s just
58:39
something screaming across the surface
58:41
of the water so and this is in the same
58:44
area
58:44
this is East Coast yeah this is the same
58:46
time frame as the gimbal video so the
58:48
idea that these are birds or the idea
58:51
that this is a radar glitch or somebody
58:52
said pilot error like on a clear blue
58:55
day commander flavor has nerves I mean
58:56
that kind of thing that people have said
58:58
on your show to you that you know this
59:00
these are explanations that make sense
59:02
who saw the I don’t want to say that
59:05
West yes sure
59:07
Maina mint believes everything like
59:09
every single thing that’s ever happened
59:11
has a rational explanation yeah it’s so
59:14
that you know the probability that you
59:16
know all the radars went off at the
59:17
wrong time commander flavor you know had
59:19
nerves and all the other pilots up there
59:21
with him that you know this thing’s shot
59:22
off like a like a can like a gun
59:24
instantly like that that was somehow
59:26
perfectly coordinated that’s a
59:28
conspiracy that that’s a fabrication
59:30
probably Occam’s razor as the events
59:33
happen exactly like we’re being told
59:35
yeah for us it was you know and I’ll go
59:38
back to the beginning of the story of
59:39
you know the other pilot who was
59:41
brand-new yeah she had been in the
59:43
squadron for four months five months so
59:48
she’s pretty junior she’s still working
59:49
on her initial quality airplane and you
59:52
know so she gets the you know we get the
59:53
real world vector and it’s like okay
59:55
real world vector cool I’m gonna get to
59:56
do something real exciting then you see
59:58
the
59:59
water and you think Oh something sinking
60:02
because it’s kind of that shape of an
60:03
airplane you know that cross type so now
60:06
it’s oh crap now it’s search and rescue
60:08
we got to go down and see you know
60:10
because there’s people you know and we
60:11
are sympathetic and to the tic-tac and
60:15
as soon as a tic-tac it’s like I mean a
60:17
holy shit what is that you know and when
60:19
you get you know some people get very
60:21
emotional when you talk about it because
60:24
for me it was like yeah you know I you
60:27
know for her when you talk to her she
60:31
has a disdain for some of the leadership
60:35
that didn’t tell us that these things
60:36
were out there you know they’re here now
60:38
we’re getting vectored because we were
60:39
the first time demand airplanes had been
60:41
airborne when one of these things showed
60:42
up that no one even gave us a brief that
60:44
hey we’re seeing these objects out here
60:45
for the last two weeks they’re just kind
60:47
of shit you might want to know they’re
60:48
out there and they never told us
60:50
no one knew these things existed besides
60:52
the radar operators and the radar
60:53
operators didn’t know what they were
60:54
they just knew they were seeing blips
60:57
you know so there’s a lot of stuff that
60:59
you know that it flew around and it came
61:02
around me and it didn’t do any of that
61:04
stuff it’s the story that I gave you if
61:07
just relatively benign but it was you
61:10
know it’s it’s an interesting experience
61:12
so these incidents that they reported
61:15
were taking place before you saw your
61:18
that Tic Tac encounter yeah they they
61:20
were taking place over a period of how
61:22
many weeks two weeks we went out in the
61:24
beginning of the month for that’s this
61:26
two-week ATS a period we pulled in for
61:28
Thanksgiving but other that we were out
61:30
till time December 21st is when we
61:32
pulled the ship back in besides pulling
61:34
in for three days at Thanksgiving so
61:36
yeah for the two weeks prior so this was
61:38
on the fourteenth and we went out at the
61:39
beginning of the month so about two
61:40
weeks they’ve been watching these things
61:41
come down go up come down go up but it
61:44
was always when we were not flying which
61:46
is really probably like the midnight
61:47
timeframe until early in the morning the
61:49
next you know till noon the next day and
61:51
then we just happen to go and if you
61:53
think about it you know I laugh it you
61:55
know if there was some little green man
61:57
flying around in that tic-tac he
61:59
probably got back to the mothership and
62:00
got yelled at for being seen like oh my
62:04
god you let him see you so so have you
62:08
communicated with anybody that has any
62:12
thoughts
62:13
why what these things are doing or the
62:17
the whether or not there’s any
62:18
consistency to the size of them or
62:20
whether or not they think they’re coming
62:23
out of a larger object or anything along
62:25
these lines no you know you can ask well
62:29
cuz I was asking you know what do you
62:30
think they were doing you know and I
62:31
said because you can look well they were
62:33
observing you know because they’re
62:36
coming down and watching number two is
62:38
they were communicating because I think
62:39
you know in my heart I think there was
62:41
something under the water I don’t you
62:43
know what it was doing there but because
62:46
of when you saw the X the cross looking
62:49
yep thing explained that again so the
62:51
disturbance may be in the shape of a
62:53
cross yeah like I described it as it’s
62:56
about the size of a 737 so just think if
62:58
you submerge the 737 pointing it to the
63:01
east underwater by like you know 10 15
63:05
feet so as these waves are coming across
63:06
when they you know they hit that object
63:08
they’re gonna break on top just like you
63:10
would with a submerge like a seamount so
63:12
and it’s it’s they’re breaking and
63:14
that’s where the tic-tac was that this
63:15
only reason we saw the tic-tac that’s
63:16
what drew our eyes down there as we see
63:18
this whitewater when it’s a perfectly
63:20
clear day with no Whitecaps and you go
63:22
oh what’s that and then you see the
63:23
tic-tac and then we you know we do all
63:25
the chasing the tic-tac and we turn
63:27
we’re right there
63:27
and we turn around and there’s no white
63:29
water it’s just blue as far as you can
63:31
see so at that point you go okay what
63:36
was it doing because there was obviously
63:37
something there that’s not there now hmm
63:41
so that’s where I say well it’s it was
63:42
observing us it was could been
63:44
communicating with or whatever was there
63:46
you know and then someone else looked at
63:48
me and said you know I was talking to
63:49
Lou and he goes what about prepping the
63:50
battlefield I go okay you know so if you
63:53
go you know or these things from we
63:55
don’t know you know are they from China
63:56
Russia someplace else I don’t know but
64:00
it’s a it’s a capability that we do not
64:04
possess to my knowledge and if you asked
64:07
me in 2004 cuz there’s a lot of guys go
64:09
out maybe it’s some secret government
64:10
program I go alright well let’s let’s
64:15
let’s be honest one if you have a
64:17
propulsion system that made it gave the
64:19
capabilities that we observed visually
64:23
that’s a huge leap for mankind’ period
64:25
so you would say yeah that was you know
64:29
think about its it’s gonna be 15 years
64:31
next month
64:32
you know that we saw this I would like
64:34
to think that okay maybe let’s just say
64:36
in 2004 it was something somebody had
64:39
this some government had this I don’t
64:41
ours whatever
64:42
if you come to now you go 15 years later
64:44
you don’t think that technology would
64:45
have emerged because it literally would
64:47
change everything we do I mean we’re
64:49
happy about you know hybrid and electric
64:50
cars and all this other stuff but if
64:53
you’ve got something that works like
64:54
that air try would change our travel
64:57
forever
64:57
no visible percent system of propulsion
65:01
no what no plumes no it’s just uh
65:04
yes we jokey and said that’s a thing of
65:06
a 40-foot long tic-tac that can move at
65:09
will through the air at speeds well
65:12
beyond what we’ve ever witnessed I mean
65:15
even when you watch a rocket go off you
65:17
know one of Ilan’s or one of the NASA
65:19
whatever you know you sit there and I
65:21
grew up during the Apollo ageism where
65:23
you just look at the thing go up up up
65:25
up up I’ve seen them shot out of
65:26
Vandenberg where you go you know I’d sit
65:27
in my house in central California and
65:29
you watch you go up and go I can watch
65:30
that thing for a while this is something
65:32
that just like poof a matter of seconds
65:34
is gone now our other pilots or other
65:37
people that have cited these things have
65:39
they also reported something larger
65:41
that’s in the water near it no no not
65:45
the ones I’ve talked to I mean I think
65:47
you know you can get on History Channel
65:49
there’s all this stuff on there about
65:50
people talking about stuff but you know
65:52
what here’s the question is what do you
65:54
believe what you not believe and you
65:55
know my biggest frustration is the you
65:59
know our incident and even the folks on
66:01
the East Coast it is what it is to us
66:03
there’s no reason to embellish there’s
66:05
no reason to make stuff up but yet
66:06
there’s still groups of people that are
66:08
making stuff up like someone came out on
66:11
ours was talking about and he’s like I I
66:13
saw the whole the whole video is ten
66:15
minutes long and it was doing all this
66:16
it’s bullshit what you see is that’s
66:19
literally the entire video it’s a minute
66:21
and a half long I think it’s about a
66:22
minute and a half long what people
66:24
haven’t seen that I saw I mean I’ve seen
66:26
the radar tapes because I had them as my
66:27
squadron you know I’ve heard you know
66:30
the men in black you know I just I’m
66:33
free you know maybe the okay I’ll give
66:35
you the credit if they did but why
66:36
wouldn’t they show
66:36
and talk to the guys who actually
66:38
witnessed it chased it and is one of the
66:41
senior guys in that group right it’s
66:42
also possible that that men and black
66:44
stuff was something they used to do back
66:46
in the day and that that program was no
66:48
longer continued and you know from
66:51
Jeremy you would know this the older
66:53
sightings when they go back into the day
66:55
into historical sightings and I’m not
66:58
not Columbus but you know a 50s and 60s
67:00
did they have similar things that they
67:02
talked about or something moved in this
67:04
manner yeah it’s absolutely incredible
67:06
and I want to dumb this down because
67:08
that’s how I had to understand it when I
67:09
was talking with commander favor years
67:11
before I kept his secret years before
67:14
the New York Times blew it up I told him
67:16
it’s probably gonna happen it wasn’t by
67:18
me we were talking about it
67:20
this system that we have seen for over
67:23
70 years just documented by our military
67:26
this is so important this is a non
67:29
reactionary field propulsion system
67:32
everything we know is a reactionary
67:35
propulsion system you push something out
67:36
the back it goes forward this is not
67:38
like a mag system this is a
67:41
gravitational field propulsion system
67:43
and throughout history our military has
67:46
documented them and there has been
67:47
ridiculed now I’ll tell you exactly why
67:49
1952 there was a huge flyover of
67:52
Washington DC jets were scrambled all
67:55
the papers covered it’s very famous you
67:57
know case everybody can look up it’s an
67:59
important case because at that time a
68:02
policy was started and that policy
68:04
started because it crashed our
68:07
communications that teletypes went down
68:09
the panic of the UFOs that were being
68:12
seen by people with fighter pilots
68:14
trying to capture and trying to engage
68:16
them and and it crashed the teletypes so
68:19
our government was like oh that’s not
68:21
happening again because you know Russia
68:22
could use that as a scare tactic so this
68:25
policy of denial don’t look here nothing
68:28
to see move on UFOs are fake
68:30
that’s what Project Blue Book was tasked
68:32
to do specifically the guy who ran it
68:35
admitted that that it was tasked to
68:38
debunk this and demystify the UFO thing
68:40
that’s J Allen Hynek correct right
68:42
I also yeah jr. Hynek um he was once
68:45
asked by a friend of mine do you have
68:47
the smoking gun I’ll give you this
68:49
documents pretty amazed
68:50
it’s an Air Force manual where they
68:51
explain what they know about UFOs at
68:53
that time in 1967 but here’s the point
68:56
yes this has been going on since the
68:58
beginning of recorded human history
69:00
these propulsion systems that are
69:03
captured on footage you know that is
69:06
confirmed now by the net by the Pentagon
69:08
like commander flavors experience this
69:11
technology is not ours it’s it was here
69:14
70 years ago you stole my 15 years ago
69:16
we didn’t know we would see it now these
69:19
exact things at 20,000 miles an hour
69:21
going on 70 years ago documented
69:23
somebody has a non reactionary feel
69:27
propulsion system now are they aliens or
69:30
some subset of humans you know somebody
69:33
has them and they’re fine
69:34
through our airspace with impunity and
69:36
pilots like commander favor who by the
69:38
way defended Los Angeles over not after
69:41
9/11 I mean this is a guy we put all of
69:43
our trust him he was defending Lausanne
69:45
just right after 9/11 so we got people
69:47
like him coming forward saying I saw
69:49
this and you got Internet warriors being
69:51
like it’s a bird it’s a glitch it’s
69:52
Superman let’s not concentrate on them
69:54
what about the Columbus thing did you
69:56
find that yeah it’s just there’s like
69:58
light 1492 light signature event that
70:02
they saw white in the distance because
70:04
it is the actual text no there’s nothing
70:08
like Wikipedia stuff it’s just one of
70:11
the oldest accounts I was trying to
70:13
throw out that this is something that do
70:15
you know of there’s a very famous
70:17
painting that shows what appears to be
70:20
men in crafts flying through the sky in
70:23
the background of an ancient painting do
70:27
you know I’m talking about I do I
70:28
actually have a page one of the first
70:30
pages ever put on my website is like a
70:32
bunch of these because throughout
70:34
history there are these indications of
70:37
ships of crap but you know what the one
70:40
I’m talking about it’s like and yes that
70:43
that’s the shape of it it’s also like a
70:45
plate turned on its side and then
70:48
there’s a person inside of it yeah yeah
70:50
man it’s it’s flying through in that
70:52
same yeah that’s it yeah
70:54
like look how it it’s flying but you
70:57
know the thing is is it everybody can
70:58
say are the one above that’s pretty cool
71:00
because that was a hidden thing I’ve
71:02
studied that one where it says
71:03
discovery fifteenth-century above the
71:06
her left shoulder there is an object and
71:09
if you really zoom in look at the dudes
71:11
staring up at it as a painter my wife is
71:14
a painter everything is intentional
71:15
which wears the ground of the ground
71:17
yeah right over there it’s pretty cool
71:18
looking up so I think that’s 15th
71:20
century it said so that the problem with
71:22
this Joe is it go to the original one
71:23
the one that we just looked at Jamie the
71:25
one right before that yeah so you get a
71:27
big picture yeah that is so strange like
71:30
here you got Christ being crucified and
71:32
then above him UFOs like is that
71:37
supposed to be aliens or is that
71:40
supposed to be angels like so what is
71:41
that supposed to be in these things that
71:44
they have it’s severe it’s real similar
71:47
to what we’re talking about here that’s
71:49
the argument of miracle of Fatima let’s
71:51
say I mean again this is so speculative
71:52
we have a witness here of you know pilot
71:54
but when you see something like the
71:56
miracle of Fatima if you look at the
71:58
miracle of Fatima God that’s that one
72:00
that was you know considered a real
72:02
miracle by the church and the three kids
72:04
we’re getting messages I’ll get this all
72:06
wrong but for like months that they’re
72:08
going to be visited and to bring people
72:09
and bigger and bigger groups gathered to
72:11
where there was over a hundred thousand
72:12
people years of 1917 1917 so you know
72:18
dozens of thousands if not hundreds but
72:21
dozens for sure see an event a mass
72:25
sighting of something that happened
72:27
we’re talking people that were religious
72:29
people that weren’t religious you know
72:30
doctors that that’s not a real image
72:32
there’s a gym now one’s doctored a
72:33
little bit so you could see what they’re
72:35
all looking at something but that’s not
72:36
real yeah that’s the but that’s the
72:38
crowd right the crowd is real is that
72:41
right so here’s the thing people come
72:44
out something happened that was so
72:45
intense some people thought it was
72:48
religious that it was a visitation but
72:50
other people saw it as technological
72:52
like something descended you know look
72:55
into I’m just saying art pictures like
72:57
paintings we’re talking about men you
72:59
can interpret them all day I can’t hold
73:01
on to that I can’t hold on to an
73:03
eyewitness with other eyewitnesses with
73:06
radar systems and with video we’re in a
73:09
different era now we don’t have to paint
73:10
it man we get to see it it’s fascinating
73:13
man
73:14
it is fascinating but it’s way more
73:15
faster
73:16
when someone like you talks about it
73:18
versus some fucking random kook you know
73:22
that’s that’s what makes me incredibly
73:24
interested is the just your credibility
73:28
in the fact that this is not you know
73:30
I’m a history of seeing wacky shit that
73:32
other people don’t see no just this once
73:34
and but it’s the on video and that
73:36
there’s other ones as well this it’s
73:37
really strange that I’ve seen people try
73:39
to explain it away and what I don’t like
73:41
about when they explained it away or
73:43
attempt to explain it away is that
73:45
they’re trying really hard they’re not
73:47
going who knows what this fucking thing
73:49
is they’re not looking at it like
73:50
cleanly they’re looking at it like a
73:53
quote-unquote skeptic I don’t like the
73:56
idea of being a skeptic not that I don’t
73:59
think you should be skeptical of certain
74:00
things I certainly think you should be
74:02
but there’s a lot of people that brand
74:03
themselves as skeptics and I think it’s
74:06
a lazy way to look at things I really do
74:08
because I think you’re just looking for
74:11
the holes in things without looking at
74:13
it objectively if you wanted to be a
74:14
scientist if you wanted to be someone
74:16
who is a fan of science then you have to
74:20
look at it as a thing like look at this
74:22
information and let’s study this without
74:25
any bias any preconceived notions I
74:27
don’t think they’re doing that they’re
74:29
looking at it they’re trying to find a
74:31
way where they can justify that it’s
74:33
fake and they’re they’re just doing all
74:36
sorts of mental gymnastics to try to
74:38
make it fake that video that you show
74:40
where that thing slips off to the left
74:42
and takes off at incredible rates of
74:44
speed that alone should freak people the
74:46
fuck out yeah well I think because
74:49
people confuse all the time like we took
74:51
the video no it was another crew that
74:52
took the video we we watched it for five
74:54
minutes with our eyeballs and there was
74:56
four of us and we all have the same
74:58
story we all saw the same stuff we all
75:01
came back and looked at each other and
75:02
scratched her head and said WTF you know
75:04
I mean serious what was that you know
75:08
and then what do you do you you move on
75:11
we never saw it again I imagine they
75:15
probably saw him on radar after that but
75:16
I think they’re probably seeing them on
75:18
radar all the time they just don’t bring
75:20
it to the attention of the general
75:22
public oh yeah because if you don’t you
75:24
know for for a ship when they see
75:25
something and you know you know what is
75:27
that well you don’t have any way to go
75:28
out there and look at it
75:30
like when you’re talking about how they
75:31
were informing you that they were seeing
75:33
these things previous to your your
75:36
mission when you’re doing this exercise
75:39
and they let you know that they’re
75:41
seeing these things did you say hey how
75:44
frequent is this is this something that
75:45
happens all the time I didn’t get in
75:48
that ours was more of the moment of you
75:50
know when he’s telling us save for the
75:51
last two weeks we’ve been tracking these
75:53
things right and we don’t know what they
75:55
are but you don’t know whether or not it
75:57
was just those two weeks or maybe it was
75:58
a year ago there was other similar
76:00
situations or there’s other situations
76:02
that have happened out there but yeah I
76:04
would say you know for this I I don’t
76:06
even know one you got to take it serious
76:09
we have a tendency if we don’t know what
76:11
it is if we just ignore it it’ll go away
76:13
you know and I joke you know there was
76:15
an incident years
76:16
miss prentace pry not too far off the
76:18
same timeframe where I think it was like
76:20
constellation was doing her work ups
76:22
before she got decommissioned and an
76:25
Oscar class of Soviet Oscar class
76:26
submarine surfaced behind her mm-hmm
76:30
right
76:30
and then it’s now it’s like you know go
76:33
to battle stations world war three how
76:34
did this how did this foreign submarine
76:37
get in our area and spend monitoring our
76:39
workups that’s a big deal right I said
76:41
but now we go out and we have these
76:42
things that are coming out will there’s
76:45
nothing we can do about it we don’t know
76:47
what they are we have confirmed sighting
76:50
by two aircrew four of us two planes
76:53
that said look this is not this is not
76:56
an airplane this is not a weather
76:57
balloon this is not a blip it has
76:59
performance well beyond you know in the
77:01
airplanes that we were flying at the
77:02
time were literally brand-new super
77:04
hornets right out of the Boeing factory
77:05
I mean these these these were brand new
77:08
first block two series that came out and
77:11
you go why wasn’t something done you
77:14
know it’s like we don’t know what it is
77:16
I think it’s good now you know the moves
77:18
that have happened over the last you
77:20
know two years since the original
77:21
article came out that you know they’re
77:23
there now there’s a new reporting for
77:25
the pilots the Navy’s acknowledged hey
77:27
these things we don’t know what they
77:28
were you know they’re they’re starting
77:30
to take it serious because you know I
77:32
know there are other events that are not
77:34
out recent events where people have been
77:37
called in to go have seen this thing so
77:39
the investigation process is still going
77:41
on you know we don’t
77:43
we don’t study the military doesn’t stop
77:45
even if you take funding away we don’t
77:46
stop you know we don’t stop until we’re
77:48
told to stop so you know what’s what’s
77:52
going on I you know you go well a tip
77:54
ended you know they spent four and a
77:55
half million dollars a year on it I
77:57
think it was four nests 22 million over
77:58
the five years see you go what are they
78:01
doing since then well I mean I’m pretty
78:04
sure there’s still people looking at
78:05
this and there’s still people that are
78:06
taking this serious I will tell you that
78:08
I won’t get into specifics but there are
78:11
there are people inside the United
78:12
States government that are taking this
78:13
serious and I’ve been I’ve went down to
78:15
DC twice to talk to folks you know
78:18
behind closed doors to go because they
78:20
want to hear the story and I’ve got a
78:22
lot of you got to be joking yeah I mean
78:24
this this seriously happened and and I’m
78:27
like yeah it did happen and it is real
78:29
you know what are you doing about it so
78:31
what kind of people are you talking to
78:33
high-level government officials is what
78:36
I’ll say and most of that is because
78:37
that conversation is between me and them
78:39
and I don’t want people speculating but
78:41
you can say high-level government
78:43
officials I have talked to well that was
78:46
always the the speculation about like
78:49
what would someone do if they became
78:51
president well the first thing I would
78:53
do is I would tell everybody about the
78:55
UFOs I would ask immediately what’s
78:58
going on and I always thought about I
79:00
said how many people actually know
79:01
what’s going on and how much of the
79:03
information I mean it’s not like if
79:05
they’re dealing with something like this
79:07
like your experience it seems like what
79:11
you described is what is known so it’s
79:16
this anomalous event with this thing
79:20
defies our current understanding of
79:22
technology and then it’s gone yes and so
79:25
what do you have you don’t have anything
79:27
else other than that like what other
79:29
information does anybody have well I
79:32
would say I would say this because I’ve
79:34
talked to Bob we did a table czar yeah
79:36
we did an event together and I’ll leave
79:38
it to everyone to if he it’s up to you
79:41
to believe Bob I’ll say this
79:43
Bob’s a normal guy Bob’s not crazy he’s
79:46
not crazy at all not at all that was the
79:47
weirdest thing about talking to him but
79:49
when you when you look at it and go
79:51
because I had asked Bob I said what he
79:54
describes in the technology when he
79:56
talks about his
79:56
his story I said well do you honestly
80:00
think we could you know reverse engineer
80:02
it I said how long do you think it would
80:04
take us and his response to me was
80:05
another hundred years he goes Dave it
80:08
was so far beyond he goes the stuff that
80:11
he says he worked on he’s like you know
80:13
there was on your podcast cuz I watched
80:15
it you know hey there was no wires and
80:17
because I had asked him when he said you
80:19
first described the ship that he got to
80:21
see he said I used to say you know they
80:23
built it and then it was like wax and
80:24
you’d heat it up he goes now I would say
80:26
it was built with 3d printing because
80:27
now a 3d printing we didn’t know things
80:29
literally from the ground up and it’s
80:30
basically built as one not panels no
80:33
rivets it’s just made right and so when
80:37
you talk about that and you go well it’s
80:38
still another 100 years so you go well
80:40
what if you had the technology we still
80:42
if if what Bob says is correct we still
80:45
don’t understand it and how fast would
80:48
it take us to understand that
80:49
I mean if it’s if it’s driven by
80:51
something that we don’t even have on
80:52
earth which is when he talks about that
80:54
element we can’t create it you know we
80:59
can create it for a microsecond and then
81:01
it you know it decays and we call them
81:03
at 115 yeah so you know I think we’re
81:06
we’re still a long ways off you know
81:08
I’ll argue with the people that go you
81:11
know are we really alone I was telling
81:13
Jeremy we used to go out on on goggles
81:14
you know out in the middle Pacific
81:16
there’s no light poles night-vision
81:18
goggles so we can see well you go out at
81:20
night and he’d be on like a tanker
81:21
hopper so I’m just hanging out not doing
81:23
anything driving around in circles with
81:25
the autopilot on you just turn all the
81:26
lights down in the cockpit so you have
81:27
no night light pollution and you just
81:28
look roll your head back and look up
81:30
there’s billions and billions and
81:33
billions of stars out there and you know
81:35
I always look up cuz I’m like you know
81:38
are we alone and I go I look up and go
81:40
well if we’re the only ones around and
81:43
that’s and I’m looking everything I’m
81:44
looking at some it’s a pretty sad place
81:46
it’s a pretty lonely universe I asked my
81:48
astrophysics prof that once I said you
81:49
believe in extraterrestrial life and
81:51
she’s like of course not and I said well
81:54
there’s billions and billions of planets
81:55
you think we’re it I mean just the
81:59
probability of it is you’d go other Spri
82:02
something else out there and I’m not
82:03
crazy I’m just opening up the
82:04
possibility that we are not the only
82:06
planet that has life on it I think
82:08
people don’t like to seems
82:10
silly they don’t like to be foolish and
82:13
I think when people start talking about
82:15
anything that’s not proven or anything
82:17
that’s connected to a bunch of loony
82:19
people that are making up stories which
82:20
UFOs certainly are yes UFOs are
82:23
connected to so many people that have
82:24
made up so many stories was that
82:26
gentleman’s name from what you would
82:28
know that guy was from another country
82:30
Billy something or another Billy – yeah
82:33
seems a hundred percent full of shit
82:35
yeah yeah he’s proven to have done tons
82:37
of hoaxes with this but here’s the deal
82:39
sometimes I think people have a real
82:41
experience and they’re always like
82:43
chasing that dragon and they get UFO
82:45
disease and the brain goes fucking
82:46
berserk right I know that there are
82:48
people that have had profound
82:50
experiences and then they can’t ever
82:52
replicate them so then they just start
82:53
going crazy and I don’t blame them for
82:55
it but you got some of that command of
82:57
flavor when he saw that AAV anomalous
83:00
aerospace vehicle his reaction was I
83:03
want to fly it that’s a pretty cool
83:05
reaction I’d like to fly it yeah imagine
83:07
flying that thing well that’s what I
83:09
told my buddy is my XO at the time Dell
83:11
got back after all this happened he
83:13
looks I mean we’re just standing right
83:15
here when he goes hey dude I go it he
83:17
goes what do you think it is I go I have
83:19
no idea but it was pretty freakin
83:21
impressive and I’d like to fly it Corps
83:23
and he goes yeah I go I mean it was it
83:25
was you know it’s just like any putt you
83:28
always want to follow coolest thing
83:29
worse yeah of course you race car driver
83:31
you want to drive the fastest car that’s
83:33
it now you look at and go well that’s
83:35
some we don’t have yeah this idea that
83:37
you know maybe we’re not alone that some
83:39
of these other stars have planets that
83:41
or maybe technologically advanced so the
83:43
next thing people say and you know new
83:45
eras are going to say well they’re not
83:47
coming here because the distance is so
83:48
vast hold the fuck up from the very
83:51
beginning when Bob Lazar came for and
83:53
talked about field propulsion gravity
83:55
propulsion distance becomes completely
83:58
irrelevant so if we believe the and the
84:00
radars are right and commander framers
84:02
saw this thing moving like a ping-pong
84:03
ball in glass water it’s gravity
84:04
propelled that’s why you can make those
84:06
maneuvers without exploding okay then
84:09
distance becomes completely irrelevant
84:11
for travel
84:13
you’re literally warping time and space
84:16
you’re falling into place
84:17
well it’s like the idea of showing
84:20
someone a video on your phone long
84:21
before video was ever invented
84:23
people like what are you talking about
84:25
like before photography was invented
84:27
which is shockingly recent right you
84:29
ought to draw pictures of things you saw
84:31
just like those people that drew or
84:33
painted that those images of those men
84:36
and whatever those things were with
84:38
Christ in the background the idea that
84:40
we could understand what some insanely
84:43
impressive technology from a planet that
84:45
is nowhere near us could could manifest
84:49
that’s great it’s nuts
84:51
yes but Bob Lazar talks a lot about this
84:53
remember he’s a young guy right in 1989
84:55
he gets shown something and all of a
84:58
sudden he’s trying to interpret it
85:00
through 1989 technology so he said it
85:02
looks like it was injection molded
85:04
because that’s what he had and then Ron
85:05
I said him this thing about
85:06
nanotechnology and you know working
85:08
towards an atomic printer he’s like dude
85:10
that makes a lot more sense so he has to
85:13
view it through where he saw it in 1989
85:15
however I will say this it is my
85:17
knowledge that we understand exactly how
85:19
these crafts work our one limiting
85:22
factor is our material science we can’t
85:24
replicate not the fuel source itself is
85:27
another when you say we know exactly how
85:28
they work yeah it doesn’t break our laws
85:30
of physics this concept of amplification
85:33
of gravity this concept of gravity
85:35
propulsion we understand how things can
85:38
move from point A to point B almost
85:40
instantaneously our physics doesn’t
85:43
disallow it but our material science and
85:45
the fuel to create that machine that we
85:49
we have machines from other places so we
85:52
I mean well Bob Lazar whether you
85:55
believe him or not that there was a
85:57
program I have other witnesses that I
85:59
will be bringing forward about s4 where
86:02
he worked
86:02
we have cred of other witnesses that
86:04
worked with along the people that
86:06
corroborate Bob’s account in that they
86:11
saw him get on and off the red and
86:13
whites the Janet flights that come on
86:14
mm-hmm somebody that went to Papoose
86:17
Lake and was stopped by non-military
86:19
guards at that time people that were
86:22
aware of sight four and et exploitation
86:26
projects one is an sr-71 pilot that I’ve
86:30
been talking with for a couple years so
86:31
these people are coming for now which
86:33
and it’s like I’m sick and tired of
86:34
doing it these little nitpicky things
86:36
about
86:36
Bob okay there was a program there was a
86:40
back engineering program they’ve
86:42
admitted there are materials so this is
86:44
like the meta materials you heard about
86:45
in the New York Times all that we have
86:47
materials associated with UFOs that are
86:50
interesting what is that what are you
86:52
talking about so this was something that
86:54
was launched in the first New York Times
86:56
article I believe in December of 2017
86:57
that there is studies being done right
86:59
now on materials associated with UFOs
87:03
right so actual metals that have come
87:05
off of you could say crashes or who is
87:08
that that explained that there was
87:10
something that they were with Eric
87:11
Weinstein that was explaining that there
87:14
was someone who reportedly has something
87:17
along those shocks ballet has 17 samples
87:19
17 samples how does one night at 17 Sam
87:22
well he’s jock fucking ballet right so
87:24
he is the guy first ever for the United
87:26
States military created a computer
87:28
program for you know for the study of
87:30
UFOs for Project Blue Books he’s an old
87:32
school guy they modeled him after in the
87:34
Close Encounters movie it’s modeled
87:36
after Jacques Vallee the French guy so
87:38
he’s kind of like been involved with
87:39
this he’s had more access to government
87:41
databases than any of us he went around
87:43
collected samples from known you know
87:46
crashes or like when things will come
87:49
off and what’s the conclusion well
87:51
they’re studying him right now there was
87:52
just something on Fox about they’re
87:54
studying some of these materials and
87:56
what they will find because I actually
87:57
the ones they’re talking about I
87:58
actually took to New Mexico and had five
88:00
scientists study it about five years ago
88:03
I got my hands on it got to study it the
88:06
the famous parts they’re talking about
88:07
now it’s layered and the way it’s
88:10
layered is what they’re trying to see if
88:12
its anomalous elementally or the way
88:14
that they’re the elements are bound
88:16
together and also the atomic level of
88:19
layering is what’s interesting we’ll
88:22
find out if we explain what you’re
88:23
talking about what is this thing that
88:25
you saw okay well there is there are a
88:27
lot of different samples but when you
88:29
get a sample of something and you can
88:31
come bigger these samples the ones that
88:33
that I looked at they ranged from about
88:36
this size they were you know they range
88:39
from the size orange-y a size of an
88:42
orange to the size of a quarter these
88:44
are materials right the materials from a
88:46
crash so that’s the alleged layer
88:49
there’s a known crack
88:50
this is in the public domain rather than
88:52
you know government control so what we
88:55
were what I was looking at or having the
88:56
scientists look at is isotopically and
88:59
elementally what are the elements that
89:01
are in this are they engineered and
89:03
what’s the conclusion well I I’m not I’m
89:06
gonna leave it to the people that are
89:07
doing it now who have much better
89:08
machines than I had a million cliffnotes
89:11
yeah they from what I understand there’s
89:15
atomic layering there there are levels
89:17
of like we do with graphene we lay down
89:19
these layers that are basically oriented
89:23
at a certain degree that’s how you get a
89:24
superconductor or something like that if
89:26
you take a piece of graphene and you and
89:28
it’s highly machined so it’s not doesn’t
89:31
deviate from that atomic layering you
89:33
can push it right through ice thick hot
89:34
knife through butter so the weirdest
89:36
feeling in the world because you just
89:37
take this piece of what feels like
89:38
graphene and it goes right through
89:40
butter because it’s a superconductor and
89:41
the heat from your hand melts the ice so
89:44
that that is a meta material it doesn’t
89:46
occur naturally humans created it and it
89:49
has special properties because of the
89:51
way it’s atomically layered so if these
89:54
materials are from somewhere else then
89:56
they’re we suspect that they’re going to
89:58
be highly machined that they’re going to
90:00
be created for special use so my whole
90:02
point is our material science has not
90:05
caught up with the physics that we
90:07
understand for these field propulsion
90:09
systems I’m just telling you believe me
90:10
or not but you’ll hear more about it
90:12
that that our material science in 1989
90:16
and today is our limiting factor and as
90:19
our material science gets better as
90:21
humans we know how these things work now
90:24
the fuel source that’s a whole nother
90:26
conversation but as far as creating
90:29
these machines that’s what we’re trying
90:32
to do that’s why there is secrecy we’re
90:33
trying to exploit the technology because
90:35
whoever exploits it first wins it’s a
90:37
game changer we don’t want Russia to do
90:39
it we don’t want China to do it if we
90:41
had a non reactionary propulsion system
90:43
the world would look different
90:44
instantaneously what what is your
90:47
perspective after the incident versus
90:52
before the incident like how much did it
90:54
change the way you view the world and
90:56
our place in the world for me I mean I
91:00
always I never believed that we were
91:02
alone
91:03
me I just look up and go there’s way too
91:05
many stars up there for us to be my own
91:06
place after it you know it makes it a
91:10
little more clear to go you know one my
91:12
questions are where to come from that’s
91:15
that’s the biggest one of where’d it
91:17
come from
91:17
what was it doing you know and then I’ve
91:21
asked why me
91:23
I mean why why did I happen to be
91:26
because you can say wrong place wrong
91:28
time right right place to see or right
91:31
place right time for me it was I think
91:34
there’s more out there and if I could
91:37
get word out to anyone it’s like you
91:38
know especially the debunkers of one
91:41
quit trying to debunk it because it is
91:42
what it is it wasn’t a there wasn’t a
91:44
system glitch this I mean this was a
91:45
real incident that happened and number
91:48
two is let’s open our aperture a little
91:49
bit and start thinking outside of the
91:50
box you know if you go you know you look
91:54
at it go ahead it’s it’s non reactive
91:55
propulsion well it’s because when we
91:57
came up with propulsion we D we you know
92:00
the people long before us came up with a
92:01
reactionary propulsion system and that
92:03
became our standard had we done
92:06
something different or we developed non
92:08
reaction we might look at something like
92:09
a gasoline engine go holy cow how’s that
92:12
thing work right we wouldn’t have that
92:13
idea so you know I think there’s you
92:16
know if you look at it and go people
92:19
thought Einstein was kind of nuts and
92:21
we’re still proving his theories today
92:23
and what we’re learning is that he was
92:25
right and he was right there was a time
92:27
when the earth was flat except for some
92:28
people in California the earth isn’t
92:30
flat around its people there’s not an
92:34
ice wall so so when you look at that and
92:38
you go you know a lot of the stuff that
92:40
we thought was true isn’t true it’s
92:43
totally been changed so for me I just
92:46
say I think let’s get outside of the box
92:48
and go if we can develop a technology
92:50
that would and I don’t look at it from a
92:52
military standpoint because it would be
92:54
a game-changer from military standpoint
92:56
technology like that would be a
92:58
game-changer for mankind completely I
93:01
mean it would literally everything that
93:04
we do you know and we don’t know exactly
93:05
you know you could you know do you want
93:07
that system in a car you know people
93:09
have trouble driving in two dimensions
93:11
let alone three right you know they you
93:14
know it’s kind of like your joke last
93:16
night
93:16
the vaping thing let alone drive in a
93:18
car that goes up down works in three
93:20
dimensions or that was what they
93:22
originally wanted helicopters to be they
93:24
wanted to be flying cars yeah if you get
93:27
out on the road you see how people drive
93:28
yeah and I always laugh because people
93:31
think well we’re three-dimensional like
93:32
we know that this table is not the floor
93:34
but it really humans are two-dimensional
93:35
people and you learn that especially
93:37
when we would fight if you can really
93:40
work in the third dimension which is up
93:42
and you go well we are three dimension
93:44
like I know if you look at like a tall
93:46
building is you know 1700 feet high the
93:47
big ones and you go no you know for an
93:50
f-18 to do a split us which is go from
93:52
up here and just do a vertical 180
93:55
degree turn so you’re going this way and
93:56
you go down here it’s like 2500 feet
94:00
hmm and that’s tight that’s a tight turn
94:02
for a jet you know unless you’re running
94:03
like vectored thrust stuff but there’s
94:05
everything has a cost so if you do some
94:07
big high akka you bleed off energy
94:09
there’s a cost associated that that to a
94:11
pilot that’s three dimensions to most
94:13
people on earth you go no I’m you know I
94:16
look at a hill and god I want to walk up
94:17
that thing Rio and in an airplane it’s
94:19
it’s a totally different thing so if we
94:21
just open up that expanse you know for
94:23
what we’re trying to do for technology
94:24
and go is there another way because we
94:26
still build we still build suckers and
94:29
blowers which is a jet engine
94:31
we just refined the internals the
94:33
turbines to get them to be more
94:34
efficient where I go I don’t you just
94:37
put your efforts at someplace else like
94:39
I was talking to there’s a whole realm
94:42
of physics that really doesn’t get
94:43
explained and it’s I was talking to
94:46
Steve Justus about it it’s more into the
94:47
magnetics type side that we don’t we
94:53
don’t spend a lot of time on and I know
94:54
he said when he was working at skunk
94:55
works he did it’s not a good call I read
94:58
internal research and development money
94:59
that he would fund to try and look at
95:02
some of these other technologies for
95:04
propulsion and you know he’s now since
95:07
retired but really impressive to talk to
95:09
him at the level that you can which is
95:12
you know for us would be an unclassified
95:13
level but you know the stuff that goes
95:16
on behind closed doors there’s reasons
95:17
for it you know because if a technology
95:21
like that got out where someone could
95:22
rapidly reproduce it after all you’ve
95:23
done you know or they got it first do
95:26
you think of the atomic bomb you know
95:28
Germans almost had it
95:29
Russians were working on it we got it
95:31
first changed the world
95:34
literally changed the world when we
95:36
detonated the first one and you go I’m
95:38
not gonna get into the politics behind
95:39
it but now we had it and now it was the
95:42
race everyone else because they had to
95:44
get on equal part because it’s a
95:45
destabilizing thing and novice side if
95:46
you develop a technology like this and
95:49
you keep it to yourself you’ve got
95:51
something that no one else has and it’s
95:53
a huge leap I mean it’s a quantum leap
95:57
do you do you share it because it’s a
96:01
mankind thing or do you keep it for
96:04
yourself you know and that’s right now
96:06
it’s not for me to decide I’m just Dave
96:07
well it’s fascinating that some other
96:11
method of propulsion could have been
96:14
established in some other place and that
96:17
we’re experiencing or that you’ve
96:19
experienced it and some other folks have
96:21
experienced it in action and I just
96:26
think for us as people as human beings
96:29
in 2019 it’s really easy to think that
96:32
what we have now is so amazing and that
96:37
what we have now is the pinnacle of
96:38
discovery and then what we have now is
96:40
you know with our electricity and with
96:43
our LED screens and that we are
96:46
experiencing like the height of
96:48
Technology when if you’re some creature
96:51
from some other planet that has got easy
96:55
access to element 115 and some gravity
96:58
propulsion system you’re looking at us
96:59
like we’re digging holes in the side of
97:01
a mountain to protect ourself in the
97:03
rain we’re a cave people yes yeah what
97:06
we do that here on earth yeah I mean you
97:08
look at like a first world you know like
97:10
a United store you know these are the
97:11
cunt of developed nations I need to go
97:13
to Sammy’s other and go you know people
97:15
are still getting their water out of a
97:16
hole in the ground with a bucket right
97:18
or people in the rainforests are living
97:20
these indigenous lifestyles yeah so you
97:24
know take them something take them one
97:25
of these flat screens down in one of
97:27
these tribes that no one’s ever seen and
97:29
go hey yeah and start showing them
97:30
pictures of themself that you’re
97:31
shooting real-time or video that’s
97:33
feeding directly into it they’ll freak
97:35
out don’t think I would you capture my
97:36
soul right so it’s it’s where we add
97:40
more are we gonna do and what can we do
97:42
did it change the way you look
97:43
life I mean even though you knew that or
97:46
you had this feeling that we were not
97:48
alone just from looking at the Stars and
97:50
but when you actually see the thing like
97:52
how I mean I would imagine that that has
97:56
got to really shift your perspective
97:58
well if it shifted my perspective but it
98:01
was more of a it’s a validation a
98:04
confirmation ago you go yeah you know
98:07
I’ve always like yeah there’s a lot of
98:08
stars and then you see something like
98:09
this and go well maybe we’re not because
98:11
that that pushes you to the next point
98:13
to go you know you know one lands in my
98:16
front yard then I’ll be 100% sure that
98:19
we are not alone because it’s sitting in
98:20
my front yard but I mean I got within a
98:22
half mile of this thing which is people
98:25
go I have miles pretty far away I got
98:27
not when you’re flying an airplane
98:28
half-mile is like really tight when they
98:30
bring you in to have these conversations
98:31
with high-level government officials how
98:34
long these conversations so I went to
98:36
the I’ve been down I’ve talked to three
98:39
different groups of people this is post
98:42
The Times article so the New York time
98:45
article comes out in 2017 yes and then
98:48
our compliment the other pilot that was
98:52
involved had been to DC multiple times
98:55
this is how our kinda I got in touch
98:56
with Lou she had called me and said hey
99:00
I need to talk to you so I called her
99:03
and I said what’s going on she says hey
99:04
have you been there’s anyone called you
99:05
about the tic-tac and I said no she goes
99:07
you know I’m gonna the Pentagon like a
99:09
half dozen times and they’ll take me in
99:11
and anywhere from Starbucks to you know
99:13
inside of a vault and she goes and
99:15
they’ll talk to me about the story and
99:16
they’ll show me a picture something goes
99:17
to look like this and then she gets
99:19
pretty frustrating goes it we called the
99:20
tic-tac because it looked like a tic-tac
99:22
what part don’t you get I mean go get up
99:24
thing at Tic Tacs and look at when
99:25
they’re saying did it look like this
99:26
they showing her something laughs that
99:28
they have no not pictures that they have
99:31
but like a video from someone else like
99:33
they’d show the gimble video like this
99:35
okay and it was no so and that’s when I
99:38
told her I said well just just tell this
99:40
guy that you’re talking to just give my
99:41
name and number I go I’ll talk to him
99:43
it’s not a big deal to me you know and
99:45
that started so when we I got asked you
99:48
know multiple times to go down and talk
99:49
to two people one of them was supposed
99:51
to be 20 minutes and these you know
99:53
these are important people get in 20
99:54
minutes as some of these folks time is
99:56
that’s a huge deal so we went in
99:58
thinking okay we’re gonna do the thing
100:00
20 minutes and then we’re in and and an
100:03
hour and a half later we came out I mean
100:05
that’s the interest of you know and
100:08
there were some Pino you get the group
100:09
you know the folks that come in and out
100:11
but there’s a few that just sat there
100:13
and were enamored by what we were saying
100:15
like you’re you joke and we’re like no
100:17
this is this is all real I mean these
100:19
are these are pre senior officials that
100:23
are taking the time out of their day to
100:24
take this serious to go you know maybe
100:27
we do need to put a little emphasis on
100:28
this I mean literally if some can just
100:32
show up at will and do whatever it wants
100:34
and I’d probably at least pay attention
100:36
yeah pay attention but what could be
100:38
done I mean what could they do if you
100:40
put yourself in a position of one of
100:42
these high-level government officials
100:43
what do you do just spend more money on
100:45
looking at them now if you look at money
100:47
though I mean I know when the article
100:48
came out and they talked about the a tip
100:49
program that Harry Reid got funded 22
100:51
million dollars over five years yeah
100:53
point four million dollars a year and
100:55
you go and one’s freaking out oh it’s 22
100:57
million I know I wasn’t 22 million
100:58
dollars a year
100:59
it was 4.4 million that’s not even in
101:00
the rounding error for the United States
101:02
we just gotta prove what it was seven
101:04
hundred and fifty billion dollars for a
101:06
defense budget seven hundred and fifty
101:08
billion if it took a hundred million out
101:12
of that it’s not even gonna put a dent
101:13
and I go why can’t you know if you’re if
101:16
you’re only spending four or four point
101:17
four million dollars a year and you can
101:18
actually get some good work done because
101:19
you don’t need a huge team because you
101:21
figure if you look and I think I think
101:24
what’s the number like ten fifteen
101:26
percent of all these UFOs like you would
101:28
you look at Project Blue Book really
101:29
remained unexplained and you go okay so
101:31
you can weed out you know you can read
101:33
out me flying over someone in a campfire
101:35
in like my afterburners so you know that
101:38
was Dave being Dave so you can weed that
101:41
stuff out now you go now I’m really kind
101:43
of concentrating the funds the most
101:44
important thing and I talked to the
101:46
folks one that we were talking we talked
101:47
about funding and I said let me leave
101:49
you with this and I had got some pretty
101:52
good stuff I was talking to Chris Mellon
101:53
who’s a former undersecretary and
101:55
understands how the government works so
101:56
is where he gave me some really good
101:57
feedback and I said I talked to I said
101:59
look I’m all for you guys funding a
102:01
program but what you need to do is find
102:03
a program that there’s going to be
102:04
oversight over when I say oversight I
102:06
mean because what happens is you go
102:08
here’s money but we’re going to
102:09
distribute in the government
102:10
so we’re gonna distribute it to these
102:11
three different agencies across the
102:13
United States government you know I
102:14
don’t just call them agency a B and C so
102:17
you give it to them
102:17
you know and I’ll go back to like the
102:20
9/11 stuff where we’ve really had the
102:22
answer but all the agencies weren’t
102:24
talking to each other to put all the
102:25
pieces together and that’s my fear that
102:26
you go hey we’re gonna take a hundred
102:28
million dollars of taxpayer money we’re
102:29
going to fund a program to actually
102:31
seriously investigate this stuff and
102:32
look at the technology but there are
102:34
three different entities working on
102:35
their own and not talking to each other
102:37
so there’s got to be a joint
102:38
collaborations we go we’re gonna do it
102:41
but you know Joe’s going to be in charge
102:44
and you guys are all gonna play nice in
102:46
the sandbox together because we want to
102:48
get our money’s worth because people
102:50
pull raise the the fraud waste and abuse
102:52
flag that we’re wasting money on
102:54
something stupid now the gimble video
102:56
shows a different kind of thing
102:59
yes how many different kinds of things
103:02
are you aware of well those are ours too
103:06
if you look at the go-fast it kind of
103:08
looks like a tic tac so you could say
103:10
those two are the same
103:11
yeah I think there’s other stuff out
103:14
there you know and sometimes it’s not
103:16
that the you got to look at where do you
103:19
obtain the video it’s just like
103:21
intelligence you know and I’ll use
103:22
because I had no you got that picture of
103:24
Pablo out there you know and there was
103:25
the guy Tom Cruise made the movie about
103:27
him what’s his name Louisiana due to his
103:29
flying the drugs for Pablo in and out
103:31
Barry seal Barry seal you know hey it
103:33
was all great until Reagan posted that
103:36
picture that they had the cameras inside
103:38
the cargo plane and then Pablo puts it
103:40
there the only place that picture came
103:41
from is Barry seals airplane you know
103:44
and then now Barry seals a dead man so
103:46
you got to watch when you release
103:47
because you go hey we got this video but
103:49
it was taken someplace we probably
103:50
weren’t supposed to be or how did they
103:52
get that video right like I look the
103:55
video of the tic-tac video that thing
103:58
first came out is kind of funny the guy
104:02
that was in my backseat had sent me an
104:03
email and this is about probably 2008 so
104:07
I was retired and he sent me this video
104:10
guys say skipper’s look familiar
104:11
and it was on strange land calm but not
104:14
suitable for work just say that but I
104:16
look and then next thing you know it’s
104:17
on YouTube so when I would tell this
104:19
story to my friends I would go I’d send
104:21
them a link to the YouTube video and
104:23
this is
104:23
years before the New York Times article
104:24
and then when they did the unofficial
104:26
official report the you the video was
104:29
taken down off of YouTube and you know
104:31
it kind of puzzled me like why’d you
104:32
take the video down and I told the guys
104:34
when they did the unofficial official
104:35
products that way you really need to
104:36
look as how did this thing come off of a
104:37
classified Drive system on an aircraft
104:39
carrier and end up on strange land calm
104:41
in YouTube because at the time the
104:43
videos were classified secret and that’s
104:46
not because it was a UFO it’s the the 80
104:48
Flair video what they did not want that
104:50
released so you’d see it on CNN they
104:51
blocked out all the performance stuff
104:53
what the airplane was actually doing in
104:54
this case you know the one you see it’s
104:55
250 knots of the autopilot on so it’s
104:57
not that big of a deal but you know
104:59
Jeremy how many different types of
105:02
vehicles are you aware of that have been
105:05
reported credible reports for decades
105:08
hundreds of different shapes even Lazar
105:11
himself said he saw you know nine
105:13
different styles all working off the
105:15
same propulsion system the tic-tock
105:17
shape you know vehicle that that goes
105:20
back in history some people say cigar
105:22
shaped you know big ships small ships we
105:25
you know they’re all different kinds I
105:26
think it’s important to state though
105:28
there are other funded government-funded
105:31
UFO programs it’s a misnomer actually
105:33
that a tip was the recipient of the 22
105:36
million dollars it was actually harry
105:38
reid created a program called AUSA
105:40
awesome was the sole beneficiary of that
105:42
22 million new york times got it wrong
105:44
and then what happened is a tip was a
105:47
different funded program to study
105:49
military encounters with UFOs aw snap
105:53
was created because of skinwalker ranch
105:55
a government program to study UFOs and
105:57
associated phenomenon a tip and awe sup
106:00
communicated and shared information but
106:03
they were independently funded so the 22
106:06
million dollars was for OSAP and then a
106:08
tip had its own sources and then they
106:11
did collaborate to UFO programs there
106:13
are more that I think we’re gonna learn
106:15
about so the different shapes that bob
106:19
lazar saw there was nine different
106:22
shapes that he saw yes there’s only one
106:26
up close yeah and none of them were like
106:29
to tic-tac not specifically however
106:32
that’s not an uncommon if you go back in
106:33
history of like military sightings of
106:35
craft going
106:36
over 20,000 miles an hour the tick-tock
106:38
is a shape they have triangles they have
106:40
ones that look like rectangles the thing
106:42
that is common with all of them is the
106:45
non reactionary propulsion system I
106:47
think even command a favor said the
106:48
thing noticed him was words he first
106:50
said to me and and kind of went towards
106:53
him with its nose but it could move in
106:55
any direction right I mean it could just
106:57
move that will however it was when we
106:58
first thought it was just basically it
107:00
never turned it was just going left
107:01
right you know kind of doing this she
107:02
probably doesn’t matter and then it
107:05
became aware because it turned and it
107:06
actually mirrored what I was doing when
107:07
I was coming down it came up and you
107:09
know so it was obviously knew we were
107:11
there and I don’t know if it was picking
107:12
up you know energy coming off the
107:13
airplane or what you know I do know that
107:16
when they tried to lock it it actively
107:17
you know it jammed a radar made it
107:19
pretty much useless and you know Chad
107:21
was pretty good about kicking it over
107:23
and grabbing that video so it’s pretty
107:28
wild it’s a big deal to actively jab a
107:31
radar virus you know yeah it’s um you
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know whenever someone tells you an
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awesome story it’s great to hear but god
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I wish I saw it myself you know yes but
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you got thing that’s yeah you’re like
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you’re telling me and I’m like wow I’m
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listening I’m trying to imagine I’m
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putting it in my head I’m I’m I’m
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visualizing it but damn I wish I could
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see it yeah I said this to a guy where
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he’s he’s pretty proud I don’t say who
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it was or what his position was he’s
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pretty prominent in the UFO community
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I’m not really a UFO guy and he starts
108:04
quoting like Jeremy can’t quote event so
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this was this dis event that event that
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of it and it keeps looking he goes what
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do you know about this event I go nope
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and he goes what about this event I go
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nope he gets like three of them and I
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look at him and he goes well you’re not
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UFO guy I go no but I chase what have
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you he goes no I go I’m an expert you’re
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the kind of school he kind of got
108:27
deflated a little bit he because he
108:29
looked at me like you suck well it’s
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like people that are into baseball stats
108:33
but they’ve never played yeah yeah you
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know you gotta get got your hands dirty
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get out in the few I’m with you Joe like
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I wish I had seen you I’ve been so
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curious about the propulsion system
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since lazar and I wish I could see
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something too oh my god yeah I would
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give so much I’d almost think about
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for president just to win just so I
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could get in and find out about you
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everybody’s track and then go I quit
108:55
bitch everybody Clinton tried he tried
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to eat yo big time that was his that he
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came in he said first thing he webster
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hubbell he said i want to know two
109:05
things who killed JFK and i want to know
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all about UFOs and they were he was
109:09
denied access and he later said it’s not
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the first time I’ve been lied to her
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denied information after asking for it
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Bill Clinton said that
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additionally Jimmy Carter he said before
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he was president I’m gonna find out well
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Jimmy Carter supposedly saw you know he
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did he said I’m gonna find out I’m gonna
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tell you never talked about it again
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afterwards after he became president
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wonder what his briefing looked like you
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know and then so many presidents have
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tried because they’re like us man
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they’re curious mm-hmm however this
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information from my understanding which
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is an informed understanding is so
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compartmentalized you know that makes
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sense
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listen is anything else just one thing I
109:46
want to make sure to brief you on storm
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because I still blame you for it a
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little bit no idea can I just give you a
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quick break now okay so check this out
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I made a movie Bob Lazar Air Force One
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and flying saucers Joe blows it up I go
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on a show with Bob Lazar which was
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awesome thanks for letting Bob tell
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everybody what happened and then the
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world lit on fire
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now from a sociological pop-culture
110:10
standpoint what happened on that day is
110:12
huge and I don’t want it to be missed on
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anybody so a kid watches your podcast
110:16
watches the movie puts up this Facebook
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page Stormare 51 oh my god that’s a big
110:21
problem right so I ended up talking to
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the kid and all this and helping trying
110:25
to help him navigate kid went left he
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should have gone straight anyway vent
110:29
went down Rachel Nevada where area 51 is
110:33
where the access points go up we all
110:36
went out there right but really Rachel
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nobody wanted people to come it’s a town
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of fifty two people one business the the
110:44
residence I live in Pioneer Tom Coburn
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it’s tiny you don’t want your whole town
110:47
taken over by potentially dangerous
110:50
millions of people that are signing up
110:51
for this on on Facebook right so it’s
110:53
this huge phenomenon that happened
110:55
because of going on what happened so
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here’s what actually happened because
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the media has completely lied to you
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they said 150 people showed yeah it’s a
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total fabrication
111:04
the footage to prove it we had an event
111:06
in we I participated in an event in
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heiko Nevada which is safely 50 miles
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away from you know Rachel where they
111:13
didn’t want us and on the fly 3,000 plus
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it’s me it’s a huge win three thousand
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plus people even though they were scared
111:24
to come because they were told to be
111:25
scared to come out there that it’s gonna
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be a riot okay and they peacefully
111:29
assembled and enjoyed this thing I had
111:32
but what what happened there was nothing
111:35
they just got together 3,000 people yeah
111:37
but everybody came with the idea that
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they’re curious about this it engaged a
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whole new audience of people we had Dave
111:43
Foley talked we had Paul Oakenfold some
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famous people talked the phone setup
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yeah we had a I set it up I brought in
111:51
speakers right I brought in speak Dave
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did you avoid this yeah I’m you know I’m
111:57
a military guy not forming a government
111:58
that’s about the stones go that’s like
112:02
jumped the White House fence I’m like
112:04
are you black that’s the dumbest idea on
112:06
the planet yeah I didn’t understand the
112:08
benefit of getting all those people
112:10
together no no people were going and so
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my point was well let’s at least bring
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people who can talk about it and and
112:16
have a civilized fun time and see what
112:18
people want to do so my point is it’s
112:20
amazing anybody came out to begin with
112:22
and nobody went crazy so what is the 150
112:24
people that were reported where they may
112:26
be at the gate itself to go so that’s
112:28
probably what it happened and someone
112:30
like you didn’t come along and organize
112:31
something else yeah I didn’t organize it
112:33
but I definitely advocated for safety
112:35
and and it worked and and it was a
112:36
success so they just got together and
112:38
talked 3,000 people got together and
112:40
talked well it was spread out all
112:41
throughout like people didn’t Rachel the
112:42
community didn’t want people there was
112:43
an event there though and the in heiko
112:45
where I was was the event with the stage
112:47
and the fun stuff we all did George
112:48
Knapp was was there as well how did you
112:50
promote this well they did the event
112:52
they promote it because people are
112:54
already coming didn’t promote it on
112:55
social media sure I said if you’re gonna
112:57
go somewhere that’s where I’m gonna be
112:59
and it’s gonna be safe and sane my point
113:01
is this you have so many people that are
113:03
curious now and don’t underestimate what
113:06
happened on when someone watched your
113:08
podcast and that happened boom you’ve
113:10
got all these new people who are
113:11
interested in it and I think that’s
113:13
important because this UFO phenomenon is
113:16
real you’ve got
113:17
fighter pilots that engage them it
113:19
represents a non reactionary propulsion
113:21
system and that’s a physics that would
113:23
change the world
113:24
so the more people that come together
113:25
and say we’re interested the louder the
113:27
voice we got I think it’s cool when I
113:29
had some alien Budweiser great well I
113:31
don’t know if there’s really any benefit
113:33
to people physically getting together
113:34
but I do think that there’s a lot of
113:37
benefit I’m glad you had a good time but
113:39
I just think there’s a lot of benefit to
113:41
this discussion and and I really think
113:45
there’s a lot of benefit to hearing the
113:46
stories from people like you because
113:49
that’s the only thing that matters to me
113:50
when it’s like I need to know the person
113:54
who’s telling me the story isn’t full of
113:55
shit so when I get it from someone like
113:57
you
113:57
I really really appreciate it so um
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that’s it thanks for being here thanks
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for telling your story thanks for having
114:04
thanks for being you thank you Jeremy
114:05
for setting us up and thanks for your
114:07
documentary on bob lazar which really
114:09
like fucking turned me around
114:10
that was the one all right that’s it bye
114:13
everybody
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